What If the Soviet Union Reunited Today?

Fuck, man, don't do this, in a moment tito will be here and he will start ranting about he dreaming of this every night

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

holdomor...

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

Tell me more about how communism doesn't invoke the image of starving people

Not possible to restart USSR because we don't want it. Estonians are lower race and can't be in the union with a superior race like Russians. Foreign leaders like Georgian Stalin, Chuvash Lenin, Jew Trotsky and Ukrainian Khrushchev are past.

Russians tried to develop Estonia by giving our Siberian resources, but they were still bloodthirsty waffen, backwarded and barbaric. Not anymore.

P.S.
Note how Gorbachev who was Russian was the only guy who wanted transparency and democracy in the Soviet Union, unlike minority leaders ukrainians, georgians and balticians. Backwarded non-Russians, fuck them.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Estonians are lower race and can't be in the union with a superior race like Russians. Foreign leaders like Georgian Stalin,

That is basicly fachist thinking...

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 11:33

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

Tell me more about how communism doesn't invoke the image of starving people

That's not how economic development works.

Whenever you have an agricultural-reliant economy undergoing rapid industrialization, you're going to have death of harvest. That has nothing to do with Communism. The reason why this was so apparent in Communist regimes was because in many nations, such as Korea, China, Ukraine, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. they were very undeveloped prior to their marxist-aligned regime, and they were being industrialized too quickly to maintain a death-toll. That's regardless of ideology. You're thinking is too biased.

كتب بواسطة Gavrilo., 29.03.2017 at 13:29

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 11:33

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

That's not how economic development works.

Whenever you have an agricultural-reliant economy undergoing rapid industrialization, you're going to have death of harvest. That has nothing to do with Communism. The reason why this was so apparent in Communist regimes was because in many nations, such as Korea, China, Ukraine, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. they were very undeveloped prior to their marxist-aligned regime, and they were being industrialized too quickly to maintain a death-toll. That's regardless of ideology. You're thinking is too biased.

Citations please

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 13:41

Citations please

The images of starvation caused by Communism are much easier to come to mind because they all happened in a small period of time (in each state) and thus can easily be dramaticised and romanticised. However, any person dying of starvation in a modern society (except for Scandinavia, Canada and those stuff) wouldn't have in a post-Stalin Soviet society, and that is a fact. The base law of success in the media: The truth doesn't matter to people, what matters is shock and excitement.

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 13:41

كتب بواسطة Gavrilo., 29.03.2017 at 13:29

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 11:33

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:24

The ammout of forced labour and starving pepole whould go sky high :-)

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

That's not how economic development works.

Whenever you have an agricultural-reliant economy undergoing rapid industrialization, you're going to have death of harvest. That has nothing to do with Communism. The reason why this was so apparent in Communist regimes was because in many nations, such as Korea, China, Ukraine, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. they were very undeveloped prior to their marxist-aligned regime, and they were being industrialized too quickly to maintain a death-toll. That's regardless of ideology. You're thinking is too biased.

Citations please

What do you mean 'citations'? It's basic law of development. Stalin's 5 year plan, and Mao's great leap forward were rapid industrialization, and establishment of large-scale agriculture economy strutted.

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:55

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

holdomor...

So you're implying communism (the theory behind it) defends that act? Bla.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Not possible to restart USSR because we don't want it. Estonians are lower race and can't be in the union with a superior race like Russians. Foreign leaders like Georgian Stalin, Chuvash Lenin, Jew Trotsky and Ukrainian Khrushchev are past.

Russians tried to develop Estonia by giving our Siberian resources, but they were still bloodthirsty waffen, backwarded and barbaric. Not anymore.

P.S.
Note how Gorbachev who was Russian was the only guy who wanted transparency and democracy in the Soviet Union, unlike minority leaders ukrainians, georgians and balticians. Backwarded non-Russians, fuck them.

Soo estonia a country of 600k is the thorn in your eye?!

كتب بواسطة Gavrilo., 29.03.2017 at 13:29

That's not how economic development works.

Whenever you have an agricultural-reliant economy undergoing rapid industrialization, you're going to have death of harvest. That has nothing to do with Communism. The reason why this was so apparent in Communist regimes was because in many nations, such as Korea, China, Ukraine, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. they were very undeveloped prior to their marxist-aligned regime, and they were being industrialized too quickly to maintain a death-toll. That's regardless of ideology. You're thinking is too biased.

You are incorrect: being an agricultural country doesn't mean you're undeveloped - but developed in agriculture. It has nothing to do with a death toll or suffering under industry or industrialization. Not to mention that Russian Empire was not backwarded but 4th global economy with industry and battleships, artillery and rifles prove it (how would it fight WW1 without it?)

Examples: United States, England and Germany industrialized and no one died. It wasn't rapid industrialization, it was slow, but successful. Soviet industrialization was successful, but it was rapid, and death toll cannot be connected with it directly, because people suffered from expropriation. People died because local party members took their food and not because Stalin signed a paper to build factories in Ural and Donbass.

I also have to mention that Holodomor was Russia suffering and not Ukrainian, because they steal Russian history as they are artificial new country without history or anything else. Simple research will prove how Holodomor killed Russians and not Ukraninians. Russians live in Eastern Ukraine and Northern Kazakhstan and those parts were hit by famine, meaning Russians died there, not non-Russians. Worth mentioning because people blame Holodomor on Russia which is bullshit and retarded.

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 29.03.2017 at 16:05

Soo estonia a country of 600k is the thorn in your eye?!

Yes, i'm bitter, i don't hide it. Baltic and the rest are developed for 45 years from Siberian resources, resources Russia could use to develop Russian lives and not foreign. We should've dismantle all factories and bridges in Baltic and transport to Russia, dismantle every supermarket, building and take every car created in the Soviet factory. Leave them nothing, if you leave a country, and blame it, then don't take its things, don't be a hypocrite.

But we are smarter now, while they bring NATO in expectation of Russian invasion, we will buy their companies and attack on the homefront. Create monopolies, organize corporate cartels, raise the living costs for ordinary citizens. We'll bankrupt them. Let them pay 15$ for 1L milk and bread, use that money to develop Russia, while they also pay for NATO astronomically expensive weapons, it's not like their 5,000 army can be any stronger.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Estonians are lower race and can't be in the union with a superior race like Russians.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 16:14

كتب بواسطة Gavrilo., 29.03.2017 at 13:29

That's not how economic development works.

Whenever you have an agricultural-reliant economy undergoing rapid industrialization, you're going to have death of harvest. That has nothing to do with Communism. The reason why this was so apparent in Communist regimes was because in many nations, such as Korea, China, Ukraine, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc. they were very undeveloped prior to their marxist-aligned regime, and they were being industrialized too quickly to maintain a death-toll. That's regardless of ideology. You're thinking is too biased.

You are incorrect: being an agricultural country doesn't mean you're undeveloped - but developed in agriculture. It has nothing to do with a death toll or suffering under industry or industrialization. Not to mention that Russian Empire was not backwarded but 4th global economy with industry and battleships, artillery and rifles prove it (how would it fight WW1 without it?)

Examples: United States, England and Germany industrialized and no one died. It wasn't rapid industrialization, it was slow, but successful. Soviet industrialization was successful, but it was rapid, and death toll cannot be connected with it directly, because people suffered from expropriation. People died because local party members took their food and not because Stalin signed a paper to build factories in Ural and Donbass.

I also have to mention that Holodomor was Russia suffering and not Ukrainian, because they steal Russian history as they are artificial new country without history or anything else. Simple research will prove how Holodomor killed Russians and not Ukraninians. Russians live in Eastern Ukraine and Northern Kazakhstan and those parts were hit by famine, meaning Russians died there, not non-Russians. Worth mentioning because people blame Holodomor on Russia which is bullshit and retarded.

Because the United States, and Europe industrialized in a much slower progression than Russia. The Russian Monarchy administration didn't really touch much industrialization until the 1880-1900's. While Germany, Britain, and USA began industrialization at around the 1850-1860's. That's why the 5 year plans were cranked out so rapidly by Stalin. He knew that Russia was behind.


Also, agriculture & industry are completely different. Being developed in agriculture in the complete oxymoron to being developed in industrial capacity.

Tito, you mingle lies with truth, you little snake. Also a quick word about these criminals..*cough*...rulers like Mao, Stalin, Hruschev> fuck them all! (Aand, I will tell you the only one great thing each one of these fellas accomplished: 1st, that march of his through the mts, 2nd, winning ww2 while almost crushed, 3rd, being a general in ww2 at stalingrad and other battles and maybe denouncing Stalin's crimes too)

Also, alexandr nevsky, boris, gleb, vladimir and qin shi huang were restless in their graves when these mentally handicaped cincinals and great leap forward perpetrators were doing their thing. I believe a big meteorite should've hit them all during their disgusting plennary meetings!

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 14:19

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 13:41

Citations please

The images of starvation caused by Communism are much easier to come to mind because they all happened in a small period of time (in each state) and thus can easily be dramaticised and romanticised. However, any person dying of starvation in a modern society (except for Scandinavia, Canada and those stuff) wouldn't have in a post-Stalin Soviet society, and that is a fact. The base law of success in the media: The truth doesn't matter to people, what matters is shock and excitement.

Citations please. You have zero credibility and i'm not gonna take your words for it. Show me a historian or something to back up your claims.

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.03.2017 at 20:30

Citations please. You have zero credibility and i'm not gonna take your words for it. Show me a historian or something to back up your claims.

I suppose that if I said I know people who lived there at the time you won't take it so here goes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union No famines post-1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Soviet_Union Negligible unemployment, unless you think it's possible for someone to starve when you have a job.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushchyovka Housing was extremely cheap

Honestly if you think someone could starve in post-Stalinist Soviet Union you simply have no idea what the Soviet Union and it's economic system was about.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Estonians are lower race

Estonians are the same race as Finns, and Finland happens to be one of the most successful societies in modern history, annihilating Russian forces in the Winter War, successfully employing Scandinavian socialism without suffering Sweden's migration issues (Third world immigrants in Finland are around 2% of the population) and staying mostly neutral in the Cold War, while also participating in WW2 on Germany's side without succumbing to their political and diplomatic pressure and remaining democratic and only occupying Finnish-inhabited territories. So yes. Fuck logic.

كتب بواسطة RaulPB, 29.03.2017 at 16:00

كتب بواسطة Brsjak, 29.03.2017 at 10:55

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 29.03.2017 at 10:51

Why do people link Communism to starving people, eventhough it's exactly the opposite of that?

holdomor...

So you're implying communism (the theory behind it) defends that act? Bla.

No zephyrus asked why do pepole link communism to starvation told a famine that killed.The tole was ‎2.4 million to 7.5 million
i can bring up more famines ofc...

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 30.03.2017 at 06:34

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Estonians are lower race

Estonians are the same race as Finns, and Finland happens to be one of the most successful societies in modern history, annihilating Russian forces in the Winter War, successfully employing Scandinavian socialism without suffering Sweden's migration issues (Third world immigrants in Finland are around 2% of the population) and staying mostly neutral in the Cold War, while also participating in WW2 on Germany's side without succumbing to their political and diplomatic pressure and remaining democratic and only occupying Finnish-inhabited territories. So yes. Fuck logic.

Finns OP

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 30.03.2017 at 06:34

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 29.03.2017 at 13:15

Estonians are lower race

Estonians are the same race as Finns, and Finland happens to be one of the most successful societies in modern history, annihilating Russian forces in the Winter War, successfully employing Scandinavian socialism without suffering Sweden's migration issues (Third world immigrants in Finland are around 2% of the population) and staying mostly neutral in the Cold War, while also participating in WW2 on Germany's side without succumbing to their political and diplomatic pressure and remaining democratic and only occupying Finnish-inhabited territories. So yes. Fuck logic.

1. I wasn't being serious about races

2. Even estonians doesn't know their origin, so you can't prove they're fins. In Russia they are mocked as 'culturally confused' [i'm serious]

3. Russia didn't exist during Winter War, that was Soviet Union, and it lost epicly there. Russia never lost to Finland and even won once
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War So don't mix Russia to some newer states and their failures.

4. Finland being independent during WW2? >their king obeyed every Hitler's order>logic

كتب بواسطة Gavrilo., 29.03.2017 at 17:48

Because the United States, and Europe industrialized in a much slower progression than Russia. The Russian Monarchy administration didn't really touch much industrialization until the 1880-1900's. While Germany, Britain, and USA began industrialization at around the 1850-1860's. That's why the 5 year plans were cranked out so rapidly by Stalin. He knew that Russia was behind.


Also, agriculture & industry are completely different. Being developed in agriculture in the complete oxymoron to being developed in industrial capacity.

Rapid planned industrializion was not natural because it was forced(planned), Western industrialization was more natural because it was free to people to decide whether they want to work or not (starve and beg). Soviet planned economy is nice in theory and very futuristic but people are flawed and therefore it cannot work because humans always look for a loophole to escape work and duty - that cannot happen in capitalism because there are measures to punish them, like firing them, money penalty, suing.

That's why Soviet Union collapsed, people worked less and less, leaving the country without products. While West got abundance of products and money. Is it injustice, yes, do humans deserve it, yes.

You also say how Russia(Soviet Union...) was behind West, that depends what you want. You want arms race, then yes, you want normal life, then no. Russian Empire had enough battleships and artillery during WW1, but it didn't had large industry like West. Because that goes natural, you let people build companies, not the State.

USSR had thousands of tanks, planes and arty during WW2, if there was capitalist Russia, it wouldn't had thousands, but hundreds, but that Russia would not have strategy and tactics like USSR, it would be more manouverable and flexible. It would retreat, leave cities because they are not important, use guerilla warfare and sneak attacks, just like Kutuzov 150 years before when France invaded. Russia would lose 2x less troops than Germann invaders, and way less population, just like during French invasion of Russia.

That's why i say that America had advantage over Soviet Union because USSR was closed and narrow-minded, while modern Russia is open and connected to the world, having spies all over globe and influence in every country. But of course now that's redundant since feminism/transsexualism/sjw infiltrated United States, coupled with debt, they will collapse without a fight.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 30.03.2017 at 18:11

4. Finland being independent during WW2? >their king obeyed every Hitler's order>logic

Where the fuck did you get that from? Hitler asked the Finns a million times to sign the Tripartite Pact and assault Leningrad from the north yet they never did either and infact in the late war they fought the Germans.

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 31.03.2017 at 08:31

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 30.03.2017 at 18:11

4. Finland being independent during WW2? >their king obeyed every Hitler's order>logic

Where the fuck did you get that from? Hitler asked the Finns a million times to sign the Tripartite Pact and assault Leningrad from the north yet they never did either and infact in the late war they fought the Germans.

They fought the Germans when they were about to lose so they cuddled to Soviet Union so Red Army don't invade them. But they did invade Karelia with the Germans in 1941 although they didn't sign any treaty.