Uk-germ/turk-ukr

Please vote once and for all to settle this question.

Could someone who is saying it's not fair please explain to me how it isn't as you TAKE TURNS IN CHOOSING lol

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

thank you for taking your time to explain it

the way you said it team 1 1st pick then team 2 getting 2 picks, that could be done before clan war starts tho wouldn't that make things a little easier?

Make it 2 different polls then it will clear...

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 20.11.2014 at 15:46

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

as you saw in our cw our clans played some days ago, even semi inactive i picked ukraine when i had to :) so yeah we are playing all countries waffel.But when we say that in cws, uk>germany and spain>france when france ally with germany, that is not up to debate waffel.After countless cws,testing and examining the results, we found these claims to be correct.Statistics rarely lie.And i ve yet to see turk/ukr combo beaten in cw.Until that happens, we can safely say its unbeatable.Anyway my point was,that whichever team gets 1st pick has a huge advantage over its opponent.I dont know what you crying about

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:09

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 20.11.2014 at 15:46

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

as you saw in our cw our clans played some days ago, even semi inactive i picked ukraine when i had to :) so yeah we are playing all countries waffel.But when we say that in cws, uk>germany and spain>france when france ally with germany, that is not up to debate waffel.After countless cws,testing and examining the results, we found these claims to be correct.Statistics rarely lie.And i ve yet to see turk/ukr combo beaten in cw.Until that happens, we can safely say its unbeatable.Anyway my point was,that whichever team gets 1st pick has a huge advantage over its opponent.I dont know what you crying about

Who is the ''we'' you keep talking about? Because all I hear is 'we did this'' we did that'' '' still have to see an ukr/turk combo beaten in CW''
Who said I was reffering to CW? I was talking in general competitive 3v3 game play. IT is not a fact that uk>germany , spain>france. This is YOUR way of maybe looking on it, dont act only because you guys won vs it, have the most cw plays and stuff it doesnt mean you guys know what you are talking about. I have beaten UK plenty of times playing germany with ukraine as enemy, same goes for france vs spain with uk as enemy, and those werent vs '''noobie rank 5's/6's'7/s, and I am not the only one, there are plenty of people who can do this. My plays were also vs your clan, vs MK, vs syndicate it self, vs SM, vs MS, vs whatever more clans we have. YOUR opinion are not the facts, even if your whole clan backs you up with ''we tested'' still doesnt mean it is the truth.
Also pls, come with the ''results of test'' , and what you mean with ''statistics rarely lie'' , only because you/laochra/skender/acq/tops/whatevermore, have tested and those kind of things, it doesn't mean it is the way you guys say it is. You guys arent the best players of AW, you guys have all different playstyles, you guys mostly know eachothers playstyle (I must hope).

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 21.11.2014 at 03:23

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:09

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 20.11.2014 at 15:46

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

as you saw in our cw our clans played some days ago, even semi inactive i picked ukraine when i had to :) so yeah we are playing all countries waffel.But when we say that in cws, uk>germany and spain>france when france ally with germany, that is not up to debate waffel.After countless cws,testing and examining the results, we found these claims to be correct.Statistics rarely lie.And i ve yet to see turk/ukr combo beaten in cw.Until that happens, we can safely say its unbeatable.Anyway my point was,that whichever team gets 1st pick has a huge advantage over its opponent.I dont know what you crying about

Who is the ''we'' you keep talking about? Because all I hear is 'we did this'' we did that'' '' still have to see an ukr/turk combo beaten in CW''
Who said I was reffering to CW? I was talking in general competitive 3v3 game play. IT is not a fact that uk>germany , spain>france. This is YOUR way of maybe looking on it, dont act only because you guys won vs it, have the most cw plays and stuff it doesnt mean you guys know what you are talking about. I have beaten UK plenty of times playing germany with ukraine as enemy, same goes for france vs spain with uk as enemy, and those werent vs '''noobie rank 5's/6's'7/s, and I am not the only one, there are plenty of people who can do this. My plays were also vs your clan, vs MK, vs syndicate it self, vs SM, vs MS, vs whatever more clans we have. YOUR opinion are not the facts, even if your whole clan backs you up with ''we tested'' still doesnt mean it is the truth.
Also pls, come with the ''results of test'' , and what you mean with ''statistics rarely lie'' , only because you/laochra/skender/acq/tops/whatevermore, have tested and those kind of things, it doesn't mean it is the way you guys say it is. You guys arent the best players of AW, you guys have all different playstyles, you guys mostly know eachothers playstyle (I must hope).

based on my cw plays in Mk and then in Illyria, i found out that when my team got Uk, we won the cw in most cases.Im not saying all.Im saying most.Similarly and even worst,when my team or the opponents team had Germany and France, we/they, lost, in almost all cases.When i joined Illyria, we started looking into this closely and started gathering data to proove it.Few exceptions there.Exceptions to confirm the rule.As for the Ukr/turk, its overpowered in paper (in theory) and its also never beaten in cw.These are the "facts".Your opinion comes with no justification at all.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:47

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 21.11.2014 at 03:23

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:09

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 20.11.2014 at 15:46

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

as you saw in our cw our clans played some days ago, even semi inactive i picked ukraine when i had to :) so yeah we are playing all countries waffel.But when we say that in cws, uk>germany and spain>france when france ally with germany, that is not up to debate waffel.After countless cws,testing and examining the results, we found these claims to be correct.Statistics rarely lie.And i ve yet to see turk/ukr combo beaten in cw.Until that happens, we can safely say its unbeatable.Anyway my point was,that whichever team gets 1st pick has a huge advantage over its opponent.I dont know what you crying about

Who is the ''we'' you keep talking about? Because all I hear is 'we did this'' we did that'' '' still have to see an ukr/turk combo beaten in CW''
Who said I was reffering to CW? I was talking in general competitive 3v3 game play. IT is not a fact that uk>germany , spain>france. This is YOUR way of maybe looking on it, dont act only because you guys won vs it, have the most cw plays and stuff it doesnt mean you guys know what you are talking about. I have beaten UK plenty of times playing germany with ukraine as enemy, same goes for france vs spain with uk as enemy, and those werent vs '''noobie rank 5's/6's'7/s, and I am not the only one, there are plenty of people who can do this. My plays were also vs your clan, vs MK, vs syndicate it self, vs SM, vs MS, vs whatever more clans we have. YOUR opinion are not the facts, even if your whole clan backs you up with ''we tested'' still doesnt mean it is the truth.
Also pls, come with the ''results of test'' , and what you mean with ''statistics rarely lie'' , only because you/laochra/skender/acq/tops/whatevermore, have tested and those kind of things, it doesn't mean it is the way you guys say it is. You guys arent the best players of AW, you guys have all different playstyles, you guys mostly know eachothers playstyle (I must hope).

based on my cw plays in Mk and then in Illyria, i found out that when my team got Uk, we won the cw in most cases.Im not saying all.Im saying most.Similarly and even worst,when my team or the opponents team had Germany and France, we/they, lost, in almost all cases.When i joined Illyria, we started looking into this closely and started gathering data to proove it.Few exceptions there.Exceptions to confirm the rule.As for the Ukr/turk, its overpowered in paper (in theory) and its also never beaten in cw.These are the "facts".Your opinion comes with no justification at all.

How many times has it been played in CW's and how many times has it been lost? you first go figure out this, than you wouldn't look so surprised at all.
Once again you start about CWS, not every thread/thing/discussions is based on CWS... I was talking in GENERAL games, you know CW and general games have alot of differences. People just yolo in 3v3's and try out new things. In CW they play what they call ''their best countries'' to show how ''good/pro'' they are and try to win. most of the people don't like to play new things in CWS because they feel pressured of failing in the important CWS...
My opinion? Also, you joined in 2013 right? AW is here since 2010/2011? You are saying the THINGS you know that never but never and ukr/turk combo has been beaten? I call shenanigans on that.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 21.11.2014 at 04:25

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:47

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 21.11.2014 at 03:23

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 21.11.2014 at 03:09

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 20.11.2014 at 15:46

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 14.11.2014 at 20:59

Lets start with the basics.the turn order system is not fair in itself.If it wwas fair, then when team A had first pick, team B would have 2 picks and so on.It is like that in all games with alternating picks.The thing is that right now, the team who goes first, gets to pick all the best tier picks..meaning it can get the east of its choosing, then proceed to get Uk which is ten times better than Germany, and then have the best tier 3 pick also.Where, when team B picks Germany, team A can get Spain for example.So in the end, the team who goes second in pick order, gets the remaining east,then Germany and then either France or Italy, which are shit when Germany ally or risky pick like polan and such.Therefore when team A gets first pick and picks Ukr team B should be able to pick UK without fearing the opponent picking Turk again.Otherwise the team who picks second is always disadvantaged.Thats why Turk-Ukr is for fags.Because they dont like balanced picks.

This is complete ridiculous bullshit.
UK is not better than germany and nor is spain better than france, by saying this because both germany and france are unpopular if they are getting compared to their opponent (uk & spain), France is perfectly capable to kill spain with uk as his enemy. So is spain with uk and france as its enemy, so is germany as uk,france and ukraine as its enemy, so is germany as italy and uk as its enemy. Only because simply YOU pick spain and uk above germany and france doesnt mean they are bad.

And about the picking, you guys can, or pick ukraine or live with the fact you signed your own death warrent by giving them the option to pick ukraine (this is actually what you guys think you do) Ukraine and turkey combo arent undefeatable. Nor are germany/uk combos. Get over it, learn the facts, learn to control your playstyle, learn to diverse your playstyle based on the situation, and dont complain about it if you cant.
This is selfish as it is, people favouring countries, and just insist people to allow them to play their best country. Go learn all countries and gg the complains, if not its your own fault not the others.

as you saw in our cw our clans played some days ago, even semi inactive i picked ukraine when i had to :) so yeah we are playing all countries waffel.But when we say that in cws, uk>germany and spain>france when france ally with germany, that is not up to debate waffel.After countless cws,testing and examining the results, we found these claims to be correct.Statistics rarely lie.And i ve yet to see turk/ukr combo beaten in cw.Until that happens, we can safely say its unbeatable.Anyway my point was,that whichever team gets 1st pick has a huge advantage over its opponent.I dont know what you crying about

Who is the ''we'' you keep talking about? Because all I hear is 'we did this'' we did that'' '' still have to see an ukr/turk combo beaten in CW''
Who said I was reffering to CW? I was talking in general competitive 3v3 game play. IT is not a fact that uk>germany , spain>france. This is YOUR way of maybe looking on it, dont act only because you guys won vs it, have the most cw plays and stuff it doesnt mean you guys know what you are talking about. I have beaten UK plenty of times playing germany with ukraine as enemy, same goes for france vs spain with uk as enemy, and those werent vs '''noobie rank 5's/6's'7/s, and I am not the only one, there are plenty of people who can do this. My plays were also vs your clan, vs MK, vs syndicate it self, vs SM, vs MS, vs whatever more clans we have. YOUR opinion are not the facts, even if your whole clan backs you up with ''we tested'' still doesnt mean it is the truth.
Also pls, come with the ''results of test'' , and what you mean with ''statistics rarely lie'' , only because you/laochra/skender/acq/tops/whatevermore, have tested and those kind of things, it doesn't mean it is the way you guys say it is. You guys arent the best players of AW, you guys have all different playstyles, you guys mostly know eachothers playstyle (I must hope).

based on my cw plays in Mk and then in Illyria, i found out that when my team got Uk, we won the cw in most cases.Im not saying all.Im saying most.Similarly and even worst,when my team or the opponents team had Germany and France, we/they, lost, in almost all cases.When i joined Illyria, we started looking into this closely and started gathering data to proove it.Few exceptions there.Exceptions to confirm the rule.As for the Ukr/turk, its overpowered in paper (in theory) and its also never beaten in cw.These are the "facts".Your opinion comes with no justification at all.

How many times has it been played in CW's and how many times has it been lost? you first go figure out this, than you wouldn't look so surprised at all.
Once again you start about CWS, not every thread/thing/discussions is based on CWS... I was talking in GENERAL games, you know CW and general games have alot of differences. People just yolo in 3v3's and try out new things. In CW they play what they call ''their best countries'' to show how ''good/pro'' they are and try to win. most of the people don't like to play new things in CWS because they feel pressured of failing in the important CWS...
My opinion? Also, you joined in 2013 right? AW is here since 2010/2011? You are saying the THINGS you know that never but never and ukr/turk combo has been beaten? I call shenanigans on that.

Normal 3v3's are irrelevant.Its like footbal friendly games.Who cares.You only see the good plays in football normal league and championships.

Also,i joined january 2013.almost 2012.i arrived at the golden era of atwar!Atwar was so noob and uncompetitive in its early days, its laughable sorry..i ve seen the videos