ATN CW Report : Illyria v. Syndicate

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Greetings everyone,

This was a CW between two very competitive coalitions with some of the most powerful players. Both can boast their fair share of pros. One of these coalitions being Illyria, a swiftly uprising competitive coalition built off members from Syndicate and Dalmati. This isn't the first coalition built of Syndicate. And like the coalition before them they've come out strong and CW-happy! This will be the first CW report in a very long time. Hope you enjoy the read!

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Syndicate
Epic_Win as Turkey
Syndispart as Russia NW
Deo Volente as Germany

Illyria
Laochra as Spain
joedtaxi as Ukraine
Acquiesce as United Kingdom

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Turn 1: As you can see above & below, this is a unique CW. Which is why I decided to write about it! I'm expecting a rush in Belarus and Poland from Spart or even something a bit more sneaky! UK and Spain have little time before Spart and Epic_Win stomp down their foot on joed!

Turn 2: Nope! Looks like we have a IMP or Blitz RNW. Seeing that Germany has netherlands, could there be a UK rush in place here?

Turn 3: Looks like my expectations were correct. However, it doesn't look like Turkey has a lot of units! joed is stuck in the middle here whether or not he's going to go for RNW is beyond me. Next turn Turkey should have some units to cap him if he does!

Turn 4: It doesn't look like Spart even TRIED to defend his capital! However, he did put UK in a very tight spot. Take a look at Ankara, joed probably could have capped him too! But why does Turkey have such a small amount of units? A few other people who were watching the CW insisted he was IF.

Turn 5: Surprisingly enough most Spart's units didn't even make it to his capitol! Could this be the quick and pathetic end to Syndicate's plan?

Turn 6: Oh how the tables have turned! They were able to devour UK and put Ukr in shambles! I'm still curious where Turkey got all those units but that's Epic_Win AKA clovis for you!

Turn 7: This here could only mean ONE thing. They're going going to rush Berlin! Spain was able to break into the Balkans to maybe put a barrier between Berlin and Turkey? This is easily the most important moment part of the CW. Syndicate may have the advantage but losing Germany could very well mean defeat!

Turn 8: Bang. This is still up in the air everyone! Next turn is reinforcement turn and if Berlin is in German hands then Syndicate may very well be the victors here.

Turn 9: This is the last turn before Germany's fate is decided. You can see in the North East Clovis already has this armies at the read to siege Berlin but other than that Syndicate is lacking! London is stacked furiously and I'd expect about 40 going to Berlin from there. That's easily 70+ units on the ready to defend Berlin! Acq's UK can't be overestimated no matter how much you praise it!

Turn 10: I'd say that's it for Syndicate! Epic_Win had to have lost 40+ units in Berlin. All that's left is for Illyria to mop up Turkey and avenge Ukr's sacrifice.

Turn 13: Skipping ahead to run 13 here, you see it's been purely skirmish as Turkey's last troops try to hold the line in the Balkans and Scandi's.

Turn 16: Very last turn where You see Turkey pushed all the way into Berlin but UK is all the way in Kiev while Spain made it to Ankara.

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Match rating - 10/10 - This CW was different because Spart picked Russia NW and it looked like he nearly used it to drive Syndicate to victory. I was especially impressed by Acq & joed. Germany was absolutely fantastic early game. This CW kept my attention and was the highlight of all the CW's this weekend in my opinion.

Overall player ratings
Acquiesce - 10/10 - Quick comeback and turn around even though Spart and Germany really went at em' early game.
Spart - 5/10 - Loser of the match, high hopes but reached too far for the stars with with RNW. He also made a few silly mistakes early on that otherwise could won Syndicate this match!
joedtaxi - 10/10
Epic_Win - 8/10
Laochra - 8/10
Deo Volente - 9/10

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Enough of me now. Let's have a quick chat with a player we haven't seen around much!

[pr] Madara: ●Deo Volente: Greetings.
[pr] Madara: ●Deo Volente: I'd like to interview you.
[pr] ●Deo Volente: greets
[pr] ●Deo Volente: and sure
[pr] Madara: ●Deo Volente: What did you think of your recent CW with Illyria?
[pr] ●Deo Volente: uhm, I did what i can...
[pr] ●Deo Volente: they are pro especially Laochra and Acq
[pr] ●Deo Volente: i was the bridge between east and west and got screwed from 2 side...
[pr] Madara: ●Deo Volente: Did your team have a plan?
[pr] ●Deo Volente: Not really we played randomly , only discuss where to take first turn and then started
[pr] ●Deo Volente: spart died quickly


Now to our Ukraine! Joed is a quite new player to atWar. He only signed up a few months ago but he's easily one of the best rank 9s out there. Joed also can boast to have played a large number of CWs being seventy-two! Massive amounts of experience. Let's see how he feels about the CW from his end.

[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: Greetings.
[pr] joedtaxi: hello
[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: I'd like to interview you if you're not busy
[pr] joedtaxi: ok cool
[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: What did you think of your recent CW with Syndicate?
[pr] joedtaxi: it was a fun match and a good win for us.
[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: What did you think of your preformance in the CW?
[pr] joedtaxi: i think i did good considering the circumstances, i was surrounded by 3 and i got one out and helped get the other out.
[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: What about your opponents?
[pr] joedtaxi: there was nobody who played bad in the game and it was a close game, i think we were just the better team on the day.
[pr] joedtaxi: a mistake from either side could of changed the result.
[pr] Madara: joedtaxi: Did your team have a plan?
[pr] joedtaxi: nothing major they just wanted me to take out either clovis or spart and see what happend after that.

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Hope you all enjoyed the read! This is the first CW report in a long time. After finding some time off from real life I was able to stay and watch this CW and write about it. Everyone seemed to be in good spirit after the CW. Check out some SS from earlier:





Thanks for reading everyone!
By Madara

Good read well done

Enjoyed reading it, thanks for the post!

Nice read, thanks. gg to Synd. great cln and good sports even if Spart is a bit of a narb!

كتب بواسطة Acquiesce, 09.02.2014 at 20:39

Nice read, thanks. gg to Synd. great cln and good sports even if Spart is a bit of a narb!

Ditto! And you know you love me Acqui! <3

Great coverage of the cw for those who missed it!

Lol dude, those picks and moves..GG, Illyria was obviously going to win. Sparta should stop fucking around with NC, specially in CWs.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.02.2014 at 11:14

Lol dude, those picks and moves..GG, Illyria was obviously going to win. Sparta should stop fucking around with NC, specially in CWs.

Alex, stop taking AW so seriously!!! Next 3v3, I am playing LB Switzerland against you! Fear me!!!

كتب بواسطة Spart, 10.02.2014 at 11:17

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.02.2014 at 11:14

Lol dude, those picks and moves..GG, Illyria was obviously going to win. Sparta should stop fucking around with NC, specially in CWs.

Alex, stop taking AW so seriously!!! Next 3v3, I am playing LB Switzerland against you! Fear me!!!

This is dumb. There's no reason/excuse to go and pick any random country like a troll. Seriously, you're just hurting your clan. You shouldn't play CWs.

This is why you don't ban Tunder3. You get rid of one troll and another just takes his place.

I think Madara really spend effort for this CW report,great post Madara thx!

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.02.2014 at 11:30

كتب بواسطة Spart, 10.02.2014 at 11:17

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.02.2014 at 11:14

Lol dude, those picks and moves..GG, Illyria was obviously going to win. Sparta should stop fucking around with NC, specially in CWs.

Alex, stop taking AW so seriously!!! Next 3v3, I am playing LB Switzerland against you! Fear me!!!

This is dumb. There's no reason/excuse to go and pick any random country like a troll. Seriously, you're just hurting your clan. You shouldn't play CWs.

he has a point, russia northwest is a retarded pick and reduces your chances of winning. i played awful that game and we still won.

this is why i no longer play the 3v3s in the lobby except with clanmates, theres no longer any challenge or opportunity to improve because you've tards thinking theyre clever or "fun" making retarded picks like Sweden and belarus that youll never encounter from a legitimate clan in a cw, i like a bit of fucking aboutevery now and then but it has now become constant and annoying.

if the standard competitive picks bore you well then we now have people like chess and bonker making great new competitive maps which offer fresh gameplay and innovation.

I had a lot of success playing Belarus and Poland a couple of seasons ago. While those countries are inherently weaker than Ukraine they can become a stronger pick. If for example, I play 100 games as Belarus each time against 100 different players, then when a clan war rolls around I'll have 100 games experience playing Belarus and you'll have 1 game experience playing against it. Sounds good to me.

Keep playing your serious countries and I'll keep playing around. Maybe I might find something that works?

Actually the RNW pick worked. Just looking at Madara's replay it looks like Deo Volente lost them that game. If he holds onto Berlin like he should, Syndicate wins that game. (Sorry Deo lol, just one opinion.)

Play is a very serious form of learning. :p

كتب بواسطة Thunderballs, 10.02.2014 at 12:40

I had a lot of success playing Belarus and Poland a couple of seasons ago. While those countries are inherently weaker than Ukraine they can become a stronger pick. If for example, I play 100 games as Belarus each time against 100 different players, then when a clan war rolls around I'll have 100 games experience playing Belarus and you'll have 1 game experience playing against it. Sounds good to me.

Keep playing your serious countries and I'll keep playing around. Maybe I might find something that works?

Actually the RNW pick worked. Just looking at Madara's replay it looks like Deo Volente lost them that game. If he holds onto Berlin like he should, Syndicate wins that game. (Sorry Deo lol, just one opinion.)

Play is a very serious form of learning. :p

RNW is not a very bad pick but Spart just went too far and his gen into UK lol worst mistake. He got capped really early, his moves weren't worth it. Any other country, even France would have been better. I agree about Deo, it was good to take France but he didn't defend. Id say the only one who did a good job in Syndicate was clovis (Epic_Win).
lol @Waffel ignored haha
Good report, except for Player ratings. Clovis shouldn't get 7 and Germany shouldn't get 9.
ps please remove spart from modship ;_;

كتب بواسطة Thunderballs, 10.02.2014 at 12:40

I had a lot of success playing Belarus and Poland a couple of seasons ago. While those countries are inherently weaker than Ukraine they can become a stronger pick. If for example, I play 100 games as Belarus each time against 100 different players, then when a clan war rolls around I'll have 100 games experience playing Belarus and you'll have 1 game experience playing against it. Sounds good to me.

Keep playing your serious countries and I'll keep playing around. Maybe I might find something that works?

Actually the RNW pick worked. Just looking at Madara's replay it looks like Deo Volente lost them that game. If he holds onto Berlin like he should, Syndicate wins that game. (Sorry Deo lol, just one opinion.)

Play is a very serious form of learning. :p

Yeah,i agreed...Sad but true I range failed to reach Berlin that wall annoyed me and also after RNW ruined we lose power at Scandinavia and its the way of money.

Acqui also played it really well. But if I say that then he'll start thinking he's good and no one wants that >.<

That was an interesting read Madara. Keep it up!

كتب بواسطة Thunderballs, 10.02.2014 at 12:40

I had a lot of success playing Belarus and Poland a couple of seasons ago. While those countries are inherently weaker than Ukraine they can become a stronger pick. If for example, I play 100 games as Belarus each time against 100 different players, then when a clan war rolls around I'll have 100 games experience playing Belarus and you'll have 1 game experience playing against it. Sounds good to me.

Keep playing your serious countries and I'll keep playing around. Maybe I might find something that works?

Actually the RNW pick worked. Just looking at Madara's replay it looks like Deo Volente lost them that game. If he holds onto Berlin like he should, Syndicate wins that game. (Sorry Deo lol, just one opinion.)

Play is a very serious form of learning. :p

poland is actually very strong in certain situations, belarus however is not. surre you can obtain wins due to the surprise factor and by making the right choices in initial expansions.

however in this game, your skill, your expansions choices, your strat choice, your opponents country and strat choice, your opponents skill all contribute to your odds of winning or losing. with belarus, you decrease your chances of winning in comparison to more competitive countries.

you think youre the first to try other countries? maybe you were, i dunno youve a longer history here than me, but theres a reason combos of uk spain italy france germany turkey poland ukraine and russia central have become the standard picks in EU+ 3v3s. they stand the best chance.

you can go for your hipster countries, and you can obtain wins with them, but the fact is you put yourself at a disadvantage

Your missing the point. I'm not interested in playing those countries against the people who have tried them and are familiar with them. I'm interested in playing them against you.

I think i get it. He sacrifices reinforcements and a powerful country for more money = more strategy flexibility and mobility and more importantly the element of surprise which sometimes it can be a game changer. RNW however is sort of different. RNW can counter a UK UKR combo which is what Illyria had. UK leaves barely enough in cap to counter a possible attack from Germany, but not those OP RNW destroyers, you can have like 15 destroyers in NL second/third turn and then sit them in london with help from Germany. You killed UK for RNW, now that is what i call a good trade. Thats not what Spart did though he pressured him, but not actually had NL/jewed UK/sat in London. Im talking NC RNW ofc.

Terrible.

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

كتب بواسطة b0nker2, 11.02.2014 at 06:30

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

Well said! Thank you for setting this thread straight. Like I said I only wrote about this CW because it was different. Glad you enjoyed and expect more!

كتب بواسطة b0nker2, 11.02.2014 at 06:30

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

bonker plez
I dont like being a faggot but your argument is invalid xD
There's nothing wrong with CWs being WCs CWs. Picking RNW was a bad pick, if he picked it then at least he should do it good, but no he went NC and got capped as early as possible.
The reason why new players don't "join" the dark competitive side, is because Custom Maps ruined it all. No offense but nowadays, EVERY, but 100% of EVERY newbie to AW, goes and plays UN/"roleplay" maps. Not to mention that they are a very easy way to earn SP, since all of scenarios I've seen is the same as world map but with a lot of extra cities. More cities = more SP. More units = more SP. Why would people go and play competitive, when they can just go go play non-skilled "roleplay" maps?
Doing bad picks doesn't mean you will lose. But there clearly are better picks.
Tunder does not play competitively, no offense but he's a bad player, Terminal doesn't play these kind of games, and Freeland is good but Idk? xD Sometimes he just says non sense.
ps try playing LB, its funz

كتب بواسطة b0nker2, 11.02.2014 at 06:30

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

someone compared the EU+ 10k 3v3s to specialising in an event at the olympics, i thought it was a good analogy. my post wasnt to discourage creativity but to highlight how some combos of certain countries are stronger than others within this specific setting.

if you seek change and are bored well we now have you and chess' new maps which offer fresh gameplay and open the door to more innovation with strategies and expansions. or hell you can switch the starting funds of eu and eurasia maps.

rather than inflicting the standard eu 3v3s with retarded combos like for expample i found myself on a team of turkey uk and germany vs spain france and romania. needless to say the 3v3 ended in our victory after 4 turns you consider the standard picks boring? well i consider this kindve shit boring.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 11.02.2014 at 09:58

كتب بواسطة b0nker2, 11.02.2014 at 06:30

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

bonker plez
I dont like being a faggot but your argument is invalid xD
There's nothing wrong with CWs being WCs CWs. Picking RNW was a bad pick, if he picked it then at least he should do it good, but no he went NC and got capped as early as possible.
The reason why new players don't "join" the dark competitive side, is because Custom Maps ruined it all. No offense but nowadays, EVERY, but 100% of EVERY newbie to AW, goes and plays UN/"roleplay" maps. Not to mention that they are a very easy way to earn SP, since all of scenarios I've seen is the same as world map but with a lot of extra cities. More cities = more SP. More units = more SP. Why would people go and play competitive, when they can just go go play non-skilled "roleplay" maps?
Doing bad picks doesn't mean you will lose. But there clearly are better picks.
Tunder does not play competitively, no offense but he's a bad player, Terminal doesn't play these kind of games, and Freeland is good but Idk? xD Sometimes he just says non sense.
ps try playing LB, its funz

You two are looking at it too differently from each other. I agree with Alex's comment that Spart was unable to carry his role successfully throughout the clan war but that does not automatically mean what b0nker is trying to say is completely wrong. What b0nker is doing here is, he's promoting and encouraging playstyles that are out of the norm, whether they seem to work or not. He supports it as Spart, who isn't exactly an inexperienced 3v3 player decided to pick an unusual pick. Sure, Spart may have made a few accidents here and there which led to his early death but that does not change the fact that he was willing to try something new even if it was something as serious as a clan war. He should not have to take any shit from any of you for doing so. Nobody should. This craze with people who are continuously making 3v3 competitive games seem linear with all the restraints takes the real fun out of it.

Sure, maybe Spart's RNW wasn't the best, or maybe it wasn't the best idea to pick RNW when the strongest player from the opponent team was situated in Western Europe. Nonetheless, just because Syndicate's scheme did not work out like they planned, it is not another reason for innovative openings and combos to be bashed so harshly. Although in agreement with Alex's comment, it does take both skill and some luck to make 'new' openings and combos work so I suggest only players who attempt it are those who already have sufficient experience with the normal picks. It does get annoying when a bunch of inexperienced turds think they can pull something off when they do not even understand 3v3 game mechanics. It's especially worse because there honestly is nothing hard about understanding the game mechanics of 3v3 competitive play.

Lastly although somewhat irrelevant, I would definitely tweak that player and overall clan war rating.

كتب بواسطة Goblin, 11.02.2014 at 11:43

Competitive player - a player who has learned how to play basic simple Europe countries (something people wrongly call skill imo, when its actually automaticly learned moves that you could train a monkey in)

Pro player - a player who's skills go beyond autistic 3v3, CW, Europe map pickings and who has the brain to make a good pick on any map or play a good game with a bad pick (very rare)


- Put a "pro" player on a map he has no expirience of ...he will make a idiotic pick (seen this, played against this)
- change standard CW settings ...well i think that would be very interesting to see clans and players put in a situations when they cant use their pre-learned expansions, country-strategy picks. True inteligence and strenght would be shown and not the boring "learning how to play mere simple 7 countries on 1 map.

50K UN DUEL NOW



On a more serious note, totally support what you said. You can't just learn the same set of moves for the exact same set of countries with the same set of strategies with the same set of funds with the same set of ranks. Thats borriinnnngggg.

كتب بواسطة Leaf, 11.02.2014 at 10:44

Lastly although somewhat irrelevant, I would definitely tweak that player and overall clan war rating.

I'd suggest Madara parse it down to calling out 'man of the match'. Those ratings are a bit o.O

كتب بواسطة Leaf, 11.02.2014 at 10:44

كتب بواسطة Guest, 11.02.2014 at 09:58

كتب بواسطة b0nker2, 11.02.2014 at 06:30

If every cw is the same, then what is the point in cw, if everyone plays the same then what is the point in 3v3. You people calling Spart a retard, this or that retarded picks etc are the reason new players don't join in with this scene, and this attitude by some players thinking they 'know' all the moves all the strongest shit etc really pisses me off. The first trophy I ever won with SM was done with a combo of Turkey/Sweden/Poland with a record of 8/2 nobody in their right mind would pick that atm, so ya shit changes who knows next year Volga/Poland/RS all DS might become the norm. Actually most of you don't get it, its about combos, lines of expansion, cash control and prediction, rather than high reinf countries, mathematical equations or set plays. The way I see it anything medium reinf upwards is playable with the right people in the right places doing the right things.

I congratulate players like Spart, Thunder, Terminal, Freeland etc for trying new tactics.. It is accepted that on EU+ maps there are 4 or 5 very good picks, to me picking RNW/Poland/Serbia/Volga/Sweden is no worse then picking France. This sort of set, this or that is the best really really does piss me off, its the reason I don't duel often because frankly having a Turkey/Ukraine war over and over again to me is not fun its formulaic and boring as shit, anyways my 2 cents.

Nice article btw, I look forward to seeing more unusual CW's in reports.

bonker plez
I dont like being a faggot but your argument is invalid xD
There's nothing wrong with CWs being WCs CWs. Picking RNW was a bad pick, if he picked it then at least he should do it good, but no he went NC and got capped as early as possible.
The reason why new players don't "join" the dark competitive side, is because Custom Maps ruined it all. No offense but nowadays, EVERY, but 100% of EVERY newbie to AW, goes and plays UN/"roleplay" maps. Not to mention that they are a very easy way to earn SP, since all of scenarios I've seen is the same as world map but with a lot of extra cities. More cities = more SP. More units = more SP. Why would people go and play competitive, when they can just go go play non-skilled "roleplay" maps?
Doing bad picks doesn't mean you will lose. But there clearly are better picks.
Tunder does not play competitively, no offense but he's a bad player, Terminal doesn't play these kind of games, and Freeland is good but Idk? xD Sometimes he just says non sense.
ps try playing LB, its funz

You two are looking at it too differently from each other. I agree with Alex's comment that Spart was unable to carry his role successfully throughout the clan war but that does not automatically mean what b0nker is trying to say is completely wrong. What b0nker is doing here is, he's promoting and encouraging playstyles that are out of the norm, whether they seem to work or not. He supports it as Spart, who isn't exactly an inexperienced 3v3 player decided to pick an unusual pick. Sure, Spart may have made a few accidents here and there which led to his early death but that does not change the fact that he was willing to try something new even if it was something as serious as a clan war. He should not have to take any shit from any of you for doing so. Nobody should. This craze with people who are continuously making 3v3 competitive games seem linear with all the restraints takes the real fun out of it.

Sure, maybe Spart's RNW wasn't the best, or maybe it wasn't the best idea to pick RNW when the strongest player from the opponent team was situated in Western Europe. Nonetheless, just because Syndicate's scheme did not work out like they planned, it is not another reason for innovative openings and combos to be bashed so harshly. Although in agreement with Alex's comment, it does take both skill and some luck to make 'new' openings and combos work so I suggest only players who attempt it are those who already have sufficient experience with the normal picks. It does get annoying when a bunch of inexperienced turds think they can pull something off when they do not even understand 3v3 game mechanics. It's especially worse because there honestly is nothing hard about understanding the game mechanics of 3v3 competitive play.

Lastly although somewhat irrelevant, I would definitely tweak that player and overall clan war rating.

Leaf, it is ok to do unusual picks but that was a CW, no matter what it was a CW. There's no excuse for it since it's a competitive team game between two clans. Spart did not do his best to pick a good country and try to win. He did not take this 100% seriously, unlike his team mates.
I wouldn't bother doing bad picks in balanced team games, not even in non-CW matches. It would ruin the match. Bad picks just have a lower chance on winning, therefore it's totally worthless to do it, no matter if it's "for fun" or whatever. I did try countries like belarus, I remember in old 1v1s I used to pick Belarus against Ukraine and worked very well, not as good as other countries but it worked fine. This is still not a valid reason to pick it.

My point is, there's no reason to do a bad pick, since you have lower chances to win. Win is not necessary, but imo fun is based on how hard you try, not if you win or not. I had really good matches when for example, took whole east/west, but my 2 teammates got raped hardly. I did my best, but didn't win and left. I still had fun.

I disagree with Goblin this time, if you go on a random custom map you won't do it as good as in Europe but you can do it better than others.
i got used to do LB rush in chess' map for example huehue

كتب بواسطة Thunderballs, 11.02.2014 at 15:37

كتب بواسطة Leaf, 11.02.2014 at 10:44

Lastly although somewhat irrelevant, I would definitely tweak that player and overall clan war rating.

I'd suggest Madara parse it down to calling out 'man of the match'. Those ratings are a bit o.O

I guess you haven't read past CW Reports like the ones by LDK. You could say it's tradition to name a man of the match and the loser of the match. It's a friggin article after all

More so, I have an idea for my next CW report thanks to everyone's input. Which is much appreciated.
Thank you everyone!