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Italy invaded Greece first

كتب بواسطة Nero, 25.04.2015 at 18:12

Italy invaded Greece first

Italy was shit at war.

كتب بواسطة Nero, 25.04.2015 at 18:12

Italy invaded Greece first

and lost*

I personally oppose militarism, but if an invasion is what it takes to teach Greece fiscal responsibility, then so be it.

كتب بواسطة GeneralHanniball, 25.04.2015 at 18:15

كتب بواسطة Nero, 25.04.2015 at 18:12

Italy invaded Greece first

and lost*

Depends, did you consider the Roman Empire for a moment??

4th Reich

كتب بواسطة International, 26.04.2015 at 09:35

I personally oppose militarism, but if an invasion is what it takes to teach Greece fiscal responsibility, then so be it.

you are a fucking joke of a person lmao. i knew you were a clown, just like zombieyeti.

كتب بواسطة International, 26.04.2015 at 09:35

I personally oppose militarism, but

good way to start with a lie. how do you oppose militarism but you support an invasion of a Nato member by another Nato member, to TEACH "FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY" . So you are willing to let millions of inoccent citizens, kids and women, die and suffer, just because a corrupted government "vanished" some money that it borrowed? ( ministers of which are still in jail for corruption charges in collaboration with GERMAN COMPANIES like siemens and others surpise surprise)


1.dont ever try to offer your input or insight in anything relating "morals" and "values". you are not human you are a dog.
2. A Usa citizen is gonna lecture anybody about fiscal responsibility just made my day. AXAXAXAXAXXAXAXAXAAXAXXAXAXXAXAAXXAAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXA
im still laughing at you and judging you offcourse. AXXAXAXAAXXAAXXAAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAAXXAXAXA
now go check how much your country owes and how much Greece owes and come back to enlighten us.

And in reply to that faggot clown of atwar, the biggest joke of them all, Skitz, i say let them come. We had Germany on our asses TWICE, Italy also and kebabs for 400 YEARS. We survived. We are ready as always. You stay on your little far away protected island watch your faggot cartoons, suck up on your Bigmacs and ben and jerry to speed your cancer and diabetes and keep talking shit about other countries and war, from your mothers basement, as if you know anything.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 26.04.2015 at 19:47

كتب بواسطة International, 26.04.2015 at 09:35

I personally oppose militarism, but if an invasion is what it takes to teach Greece fiscal responsibility, then so be it.

you are a fucking joke of a person lmao. i knew you were a clown, just like zombieyeti.

كتب بواسطة International, 26.04.2015 at 09:35

I personally oppose militarism, but

good way to start with a lie. how do you oppose militarism but you support an invasion of a Nato member by another Nato member, to TEACH "FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY" . So you are willing to let millions of inoccent citizens, kids and women, die and suffer, just because a corrupted government "vanished" some money that it borrowed? ( ministers of which are still in jail for corruption charges in collaboration with GERMAN COMPANIES like siemens and others surpise surprise)


1.dont ever try to offer your input or insight in anything relating "morals" and "values". you are not human you are a dog.
2. A Usa citizen is gonna lecture anybody about fiscal responsibility just made my day. AXAXAXAXAXXAXAXAXAAXAXXAXAXXAXAAXXAAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXA
im still laughing at you and judging you offcourse. AXXAXAXAAXXAAXXAAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAAXXAXAXA
now go check how much your country owes and how much Greece owes and come back to enlight us.

And in reply to that faggot clown of atwar, the biggest joke of them all, Skitz, i say let them come. We had Germany on our asses TWICE, Italy also and kebabs for 400 YEARS. We survived. We are ready as always. You stay on your little far away protected island watch your faggot cartoons, suck up on your Bigmacs and ben and jerry to speed your cancer and diabetes and keep talking shit about other countries and war, from your mothers basement, as if you know anything.

Who gives a fuck what that he thinks anyway
still. Go Khal Go

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 26.04.2015 at 19:47

good way to start with a lie. how do you oppose militarism but you support an invasion of a Nato member by another Nato member, to TEACH "FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY" . So you are willing to let millions of inoccent citizens, kids and women, die and suffer, just because a corrupted government "vanished" some money that it borrowed? ( ministers of which are still in jail for corruption charges in collaboration with GERMAN COMPANIES like siemens and others surpise surprise)

I hope you realize what this means for the Eurozone. It is impossible to have a stable currency union without a reasonable degree of fiscal responsibility from all parties concerned. Letting offenses like this (Greece defaulting on its debts) just pass is dooming the Eurozone to fail. Which, I might add, is likely to cause a lot more deaths and suffering than any well-coordinated invasion of Greece. Right now, there is an opportunity to make Europe unite for the first time since Roman ages. The cost of letting this experiment fail is many decades of more European conflicts.

Furthermore, do you seriously think that an invasion of Greece will cause "millions" of deaths? I'll be very surprised if there's more than 30,000 casualties, which includes deaths, injuries, etc total. Unless the invading army (or the Greek army) goes on a rampage razing random cities, the probability of such a war causing more than 1 million deaths is just about nil.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 26.04.2015 at 19:47

1.dont ever try to offer your input or insight in anything relating "morals" and "values". you are not human you are a dog.

I am a specimen of the species Homo Sapiens subspecies Sapiens. Therefore by definition I am human. Also, I find it somewhat interesting that you'd call me a "dog" simply because my sense of values is different from yours. Isn't that sort of mindset what causes wars in the first place?

"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind." - J.S. Mill. I strongly suggest you think about that quote and what it means.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 26.04.2015 at 19:47

2. A Usa citizen is gonna lecture anybody about fiscal responsibility just made my day. AXAXAXAXAXXAXAXAXAAXAXXAXAXXAXAAXXAAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXXA
im still laughing at you and judging you offcourse. AXXAXAXAAXXAAXXAAXXAXAXAXAXAXAXAAXXAXAXA
now go check how much your country owes and how much Greece owes and come back to enlighten us.

So now you're resorting to unfounded claims. Have I given you so much as a shred of evidence that I'm an American? Stop drawing ridiculous assumptions. I've said on more than one occasion in atWar lobby chat that I'm not an American.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 26.04.2015 at 19:47

And in reply to that faggot clown of atwar, the biggest joke of them all, Skitz, i say let them come. We had Germany on our asses TWICE, Italy also and kebabs for 400 YEARS. We survived. We are ready as always. You stay on your little far away protected island watch your faggot cartoons, suck up on your Bigmacs and ben and jerry to speed your cancer and diabetes and keep talking shit about other countries and war, from your mothers basement, as if you know anything.

I'll let Skitz himself respond to this one.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 26.04.2015 at 22:24

Who gives a fuck what that he thinks anyway
still. Go Khal Go

Your opposition is noted. I hope you find a more civil way to express it in the future.

Cheers.

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 01:38

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 26.04.2015 at 22:24

Who gives a fuck what that he thinks anyway
still. Go Khal Go

Your opposition is noted. I hope you find a more civil way to express it in the future.

Cheers.

Maybe if you are so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you are so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

According to Smith's theory of economics, I shouldn't have premium because I'm not producing a shred of useful good or labor that a market compromised of sane men would deem deserving of a $36 game premium.

Can't say anything about the second claim of yours, because I have no idea how much Skittz does know. It's not hard for a smart man to disguise himself as an idiot, after all.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you are so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

lol you should stop replying to this thing. all it does is spout nonsense and hate disguised in fancy english.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 09:27

You do realise if Greece was invaded that would mean also invading: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Dubai, Cyprus, all responsible for defaulting on their national debt in recent years. If it wasn't for the buzz created from quantitative easing and national debt there wouldn't be any money in circulation. You don't see that money created out of nothing cannot be paid back with interest because that 'interest' does not exist in the first place. The people running Greece for many years are reps of Goldman Sachs, also the main component of the ECB. Europe is now a big monopoly board and this controlled demolition of Greece's economy was orchestrated to allow mainly German companies access to profit from all of Greece's public services in the name of austerity through privatisation. If you fail to see how corporate conglomerates and reserve banks have profited massively from Greece's economic demise, in my opinion you really need to re-educate yourself on the whole matter.

But no, you think we should go and spend billions of pounds more, (adding further to every bodies national debt level) and invade a country, when the only people that would benefit from such action are the same people that have benefitted from Greece's demise in the first place.
gg.

Exactly..Thank you. Seriously, just thank you

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 09:27

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 08:56

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you are so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

According to Smith's theory of economics, I shouldn't have premium because I'm not producing a shred of useful good or labor that a market compromised of sane men would deem deserving of a $36 game premium.

Can't say anything about the second claim of yours, because I have no idea how much Skittz does know. It's not hard for a smart man to disguise himself as an idiot, after all.

You do realise if Greece was invaded that would mean also invading: Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Dubai, Cyprus, all responsible for defaulting on their national debt in recent years. If it wasn't for the buzz created from quantitative easing and national debt there wouldn't be any money in circulation. You don't see that money created out of nothing cannot be paid back with interest because that 'interest' does not exist in the first place. The people running Greece for many years are reps of Goldman Sachs, also the main component of the ECB. Europe is now a big monopoly board and this controlled demolition of Greece's economy was orchestrated to allow mainly German companies access to profit from all of Greece's public services in the name of austerity through privatisation. If you fail to see how corporate conglomerates and reserve banks have profited massively from Greece's economic demise, in my opinion you really need to re-educate yourself on the whole matter.

But no, you think we should go and spend billions of pounds more, (adding further to every bodies national debt level) and invade a country, when the only people that would benefit from such action are the same people that have benefitted from Greece's demise in the first place.
gg.

An excellent point. Invading Greece would be fiscal suicide for all parties concerned. Alright. I concede that point.

But something has to make up for the disparity between fiscal and monetary policies. If Greece won't tighten its belts, then I really see no possibility for Greece to remain in the Eurozone. The richer countries cannot afford to make up for Greece's deficit forever. It's not possible to have a stable monetary union without fiscal responsibility.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 27.04.2015 at 09:03

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you're so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

lol you should stop replying to this thing. all it does is spout nonsense and hate disguised in fancy english.

Just because you can't sustain a debate doesn't mean Sun Tsu can't either. From his posts, I suspect he knows more than I do, in fact.

Remember RaulPB from Spain? I think he's an irresponsible revolutionary and he thinks I'm a naive imbecile, but we don't curse at each other. Why don't you adopt that same behaviour?

اقتبس:

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:54

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An excellent point. Invading Greece would be fiscal suicide for all parties concerned. Alright. I concede that point.

But something has to make up for the disparity between fiscal and monetary policies. If Greece won't tighten its belts, then I really see no possibility for Greece to remain in the Eurozone. The richer countries cannot afford to make up for Greece's deficit forever. It's not possible to have a stable monetary union without fiscal responsibility.

To put it in laymen terms. That is the same as parents lending their child $20 (bribing them into accepting) demanding $40 is repaid, then upon (obvious) default selling off all the childs toys for $300 and keeping the difference. I don't know how else to put it so you understand. The same people/companies that have ruined Greece are working for the same people that lent them the money in the first place. It is the first step to corporate imperialisation of a nation.
Quotation by Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws".
Same applies for all the other countries in the same boat as Greece.
Anyway thanks for helping me pass the time on this rather tedious delayed train journey :p

اقتبس:

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:15

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:54

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An excellent point. Invading Greece would be fiscal suicide for all parties concerned. Alright. I concede that point.

But something has to make up for the disparity between fiscal and monetary policies. If Greece won't tighten its belts, then I really see no possibility for Greece to remain in the Eurozone. The richer countries cannot afford to make up for Greece's deficit forever. It's not possible to have a stable monetary union without fiscal responsibility.

To put it in laymen terms. That is the same as parents lending their child $20 , demanding $40 is repaid, then upon (obvious) default selling off all the childs toys for $300 and keeping the difference. I don't know how else to put it so you understand. The same people/companies that have ruined Greece are working for the same people that lent them the money in the first place. It is the first step to corporate imperialisation of a nation.
Quotation by Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws".
Same applies for all the other countries in the same boat as Greece.

In the analogy you used, the child borrowed 20. Because interest and opportunity cost, the child now owes 40. Because the child and the parent is bound by a currency union, the child defaulting on that debt is going to cause a currency devaluation, which seriously compromises the parent's economic health. Thus, that parent needs to get that 40 back. One way or another. Tough on the child, of course, but maybe next time the child will think of that before recklessly borrowing again.

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:59

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 27.04.2015 at 09:03

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you're so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

lol you should stop replying to this thing. all it does is spout nonsense and hate disguised in fancy english.

Just because you can't sustain a debate doesn't mean Sun Tsu can't either. From his posts, I suspect he knows more than I do, in fact.

Remember RaulPB from Spain? I think he's an irresponsible revolutionary and he thinks I'm a naive imbecile, but we don't curse at each other. Why don't you adopt that same behaviour?

Well apologies if you were offended, My initial reaction was to treat the statement with the contempt it deserved. Hence the curse.

اقتبس:

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 10:22

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:15

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:54

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An excellent point. Invading Greece would be fiscal suicide for all parties concerned. Alright. I concede that point.

But something has to make up for the disparity between fiscal and monetary policies. If Greece won't tighten its belts, then I really see no possibility for Greece to remain in the Eurozone. The richer countries cannot afford to make up for Greece's deficit forever. It's not possible to have a stable monetary union without fiscal responsibility.

To put it in laymen terms. That is the same as parents lending their child $20 , demanding $40 is repaid, then upon (obvious) default selling off all the childs toys for $300 and keeping the difference. I don't know how else to put it so you understand. The same people/companies that have ruined Greece are working for the same people that lent them the money in the first place. It is the first step to corporate imperialisation of a nation.
Quotation by Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws".
Same applies for all the other countries in the same boat as Greece.

In the analogy you used, the child borrowed 20. Because interest and opportunity cost, the child now owes 40. Because the child and the parent is bound by a currency union, the child defaulting on that debt is going to cause a currency devaluation, which seriously compromises the parent's economic health. Thus, that parent needs to get that 40 back. One way or another. Tough on the child, of course, but maybe next time the child will think of that before recklessly borrowing again.

You missed out the bit where the child was bribed by the parents and that it is the parents making the decision on the childs behalf

اقتبس:

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:27

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 10:22

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:15

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:54

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An excellent point. Invading Greece would be fiscal suicide for all parties concerned. Alright. I concede that point.

But something has to make up for the disparity between fiscal and monetary policies. If Greece won't tighten its belts, then I really see no possibility for Greece to remain in the Eurozone. The richer countries cannot afford to make up for Greece's deficit forever. It's not possible to have a stable monetary union without fiscal responsibility.

To put it in laymen terms. That is the same as parents lending their child $20 , demanding $40 is repaid, then upon (obvious) default selling off all the childs toys for $300 and keeping the difference. I don't know how else to put it so you understand. The same people/companies that have ruined Greece are working for the same people that lent them the money in the first place. It is the first step to corporate imperialisation of a nation.
Quotation by Mayer Amschel Rothschild: "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws".
Same applies for all the other countries in the same boat as Greece.

In the analogy you used, the child borrowed 20. Because interest and opportunity cost, the child now owes 40. Because the child and the parent is bound by a currency union, the child defaulting on that debt is going to cause a currency devaluation, which seriously compromises the parent's economic health. Thus, that parent needs to get that 40 back. One way or another. Tough on the child, of course, but maybe next time the child will think of that before recklessly borrowing again.

You missed out the bit where the child was bribed by the parents and that it is the parents making the decision on the childs behalf

Why the child made that decision is irrelevant. The important thing is that it was made.

If I go break the speed limit, the traffic police won't care in the slightest why . They'll still hold me responsible.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:26

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:59

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 27.04.2015 at 09:03

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 08:19

Maybe if you're so smart and know so much about macro economic policy, you might of figured out a way to buy premium, but judging by your text you know just about as much as skittz. Fuck all. Just a thought.

lol you should stop replying to this thing. all it does is spout nonsense and hate disguised in fancy english.

Just because you can't sustain a debate doesn't mean Sun Tsu can't either. From his posts, I suspect he knows more than I do, in fact.

Remember RaulPB from Spain? I think he's an irresponsible revolutionary and he thinks I'm a naive imbecile, but we don't curse at each other. Why don't you adopt that same behaviour?

Well apologies if you were offended, My initial reaction was to treat the statement with the contempt it deserved. Hence the curse.

Nah. I've been treated with such contempt my entire school career. Takes a lot more than cursing to offend me, as a result.

I just don't like dealing with people who can't remain civil, is all.

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:59

Just because you can't sustain a debate doesn't mean Sun Tsu can't either. From his posts, I suspect he knows more than I do, in fact.

Remember RaulPB from Spain? I think he's an irresponsible revolutionary and he thinks I'm a naive imbecile, but we don't curse at each other. Why don't you adopt that same behaviour?

Okey... you mentioned me so I feel the need to interrupt you for a second even though Sun tzu is doing perfectly fine without help XD

First of all, I'm not irresponsable. I know what my responsabilities are and what consecuences bring determined actions. I'm no revolutionary guy unless you think that people which defend their own rights and condemn people which defraud their own country just for their own selfish self are revolutionary.

I would never call you or anybody that tries to debate an imbecile though I do think you're too naive to be talking about this matter since you don't fully understand how this world works (from your words I can deduce that you still haven't watched that documentary I suggested you isn't that right??). I think you need to inform yourself about how the greek debt was created, why was it created, what happened with it and who is responsable for it. Then, think again, how would a war, a cruent battle between people with weapons and brute force, help anyone learn about fiscal responsibility?? Specially considering that you don't really know who's the responsible for this debt.

Ethically speaking, you're involving a whole country in a war, with all its people, innocent people who pay their high taxes for something they haven't done and aren't responsible for. Do you really think this people would accept some barbarian assault over their own land for a pathetic war reason which doesn't really involve them as they only are the population of a country that has been deceived by its own government? They would fucking protest and defend themselves and their own interest as an independent country! That would mean lots of injuries, deaths, jailing, etc. Now, with this in mind, tell me again, how many people would get involved in this non sense fight now?? And you kwno why? Cause of some greedy politicians, bankers and bussiness owners.

Hope you have your pop-corn ready for the show.

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 10:33

Nah. I've been treated with such contempt my entire school career. Takes a lot more than cursing to offend me, as a result.

I just don't like dealing with people who can't remain civil, is all.

And going to war with a nation over fiscal policy is civil?

كتب بواسطة RaulPB, 27.04.2015 at 10:33

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 09:59

Just because you can't sustain a debate doesn't mean Sun Tsu can't either. From his posts, I suspect he knows more than I do, in fact.

Remember RaulPB from Spain? I think he's an irresponsible revolutionary and he thinks I'm a naive imbecile, but we don't curse at each other. Why don't you adopt that same behaviour?

Okey... you mentioned me so I feel the need to interrupt you for a second even though Sun tzu is doing perfectly fine without help XD

First of all, I'm not irresponsable. I know what my responsabilities are and what consecuences bring determined actions. I'm no revolutionary guy unless you think that people which defend their own rights and condemn people which defraud their own country just for their own selfish self are revolutionary.

I would never call you or anybody that tries to debate an imbecile though I do think you're too naive to be talking about this matter since you don't fully understand how this world works (from your words I can deduce that you still haven't watched that documentary I suggested you isn't that right??). I think you need to inform yourself about how the greek debt was created, why was it created, what happened with it and who is responsable for it. Then, think again, how would a war, a cruent battle between people with weapons and brute force, help anyone learn about fiscal responsibility?? Specially considering that you don't really know who's the responsible for this debt.

Ethically speaking, you're involving a whole country in a war, with all its people, innocent people who pay their high taxes for something they haven't done and aren't responsible for. Do you really think this people would accept some barbarian assault over their own land for a pathetic war reason which doesn't really involve them as the population of a country? They would fucking protest and defend themselves and their own interest as an independent country! That would mean lots of injuries, deaths, jailing, etc. Now, with this in mind, tell me again, how many people would get involved in this non sense fight now?? And you kwno why? Cause of some greedy politicians, bankers and bussiness owners.

Hope you have your pop-corn ready for the show.

Oh, goodie. A RaulPB forum post. I'm on my phone at the moment, but I'll get to you tomorrow on my proper computer.

كتب بواسطة RaulPB, 27.04.2015 at 10:33

Ethically speaking, you're involving a whole country in a war, with all its people, innocent people who pay their high taxes for something they haven't done and aren't responsible for.

كتب بواسطة Sun Tsu, 27.04.2015 at 10:34

كتب بواسطة International, 27.04.2015 at 10:33

Nah. I've been treated with such contempt my entire school career. Takes a lot more than cursing to offend me, as a result.

I just don't like dealing with people who can't remain civil, is all.

And going to war with a nation over fiscal policy is civil?

Yes, provided that all alternate reasonable routes of solving the issue have been tried. Which, given that bailout package that got rejected, I daresay might happen soon. The richer Eurozone states are rapidly running out of options.

Come to think of it, though, booting Greece from the Eurozone sounds a lot simpler than going to war. Lot cheaper too, come right down to it.