Abortus

These days, I am having long discussions with my friends about abortion.
Few of us stands behind opinion that's a murder and few are staying behind opinion that's not a murder (saying that zygote isn't human being), but women's right.

I don't understand how can someone, with clear mind, negate abortus as a murder and call it as women's right.
Evolution of human being doesn't start suddenly by birth, but by conception when man's gametes unit with women's, and should be respected and protected it from conception to natural death.
Giving a women right to decide should she born or not her own child is giving women right to decide should she commit a murder or not. Okay, even if we accept abortus as women's private right, it still doesn't change the fact you purposely stopped someone's life. Arguments as 'what if she doesn't have money to restrain that kid after birth' or 'its better than the child ends up in a home for abandoned children because his mother didn't want a child' are not arguments, but bullshit unbased theories which are forced by people who support abortion.
So, if my family doesn't have money to give me food and rest of primary life things, they should kill me, right?
Each person is responsible for their actions, so if you took a step to have sex, you are accepting the possibility of the conception of the child and just because you don't want a child, it doesn't give you fucking right to stop his evolution by abortion. Then you shouldn't step in sex or should take that dick in ass, rather than in vagina.

Right on life is above all other rights (such as, the mother's right to elect whether to child) and non theory can refute it.
Mother Teresa said on her speech at the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979, that "the greatest destroyer of peace today is the cry of an innocent, unborn child. When a mother can in her lap kill her own child, which is then worse crime there than that we start alone kill each other? "


What if I tell you that there were over 43 million abortions during 2003. Almost 118 000 abortions per day, which is almost 5 000 abortions per hour and which is over 81 abortion per minute. Are we really that fucked up?

Please watch this short video, maybe it change your opinion about abortion:






Also, give me your thoughts about it? What are your opinions?

One smart priest was asked by poor about abortion. Poor man had 9 children and 10th on the way, he wanted advise about abortion. Priest replied:

Do it, kill your first born, he is 18 already, seen the world, breathe the air, saw the sky and felt the grass, and let this baby be born. You will still have 9 children.

Poor man understood and went home crying.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 11.04.2016 at 17:30

Why video... why..

I've posted it more from educational purpose than to shock people around, but one abortion (such as this from the video) is happening every second and no one cares, whatsmore, there are plenty of people who are even supporting it as 'mother's right'.
Sad, isn't it?

Its their body... no it isnt, its a body of a separate organism.

However you miss some points like rape or if a womens health or life could be in dangeour... not every concieved child is a teenage sex.

One of my friend left a girl pregant, they decided for abortion.

100% against it
dont only criticize the people who do that, also the doctors who agree to become murderers and kill someone for a few $$

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 17:33

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 11.04.2016 at 17:30

Why video... why..

I've posted it more from educational purpose than to shock people around, but one abortion (such as this from the video) is happening every second and no one cares, whatsmore, there are plenty of people who are even supporting it as 'mother's right'.
Sad, isn't it?

No, what is sad is that young people like you are science deniers and ignorant about how the world works and in the end, want to force your religious opinions unto people. It seems that to you religious conservatives, a collection of chemical elements that havent yet developed a brain or consciousness have more rights than a fully developed adult (homosexual) human being.

But oh god, such a great coinsidence (so many of those in my life lately, i think god is messing with me) i just went to see my mother 2 hours ago and she had 2 of her friends over and they were talking about abortion. Her lady friends were conservative, retired school teachers and very religious. Immediately the lights in my mind turned red and voices started yelling "Danger! Ignorant bigots detected! Must debate them!

--> Long story short, usual theist shit. I hit them in the face with facts, they replied with sentimental bullshit " life is life" "the embryo can feel because i am a mother and i know" "scientists dont know" "the bible says.." after which i was like, why the fuck do i even bother. I keep trying, time and time again and always get the same result, why do i keep doing it. Lord knows..

So let me just say again, why the fuck would i bother.

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:09

I wonder if you would say the same under these circumstances:

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). Why would this women keep the child? It was against here consent, it would only bring back bad memories, and maybe she is not in the financial position to raise a kid. Therefore even if the kid was born he would live would out his true mother or father as he would be taken to child services if the mother was unable to provide.

Now would you tell this mother to suck it up, and take care of the child. I can bet you any money you as the husband would be screaming at her to get rid of it.

Ok, explain something else.

A man shoots and kills a woman and her unborn child. Not only does he get charged with the murder of the woman, he gets charged with double murder.

Oh but its ok for a woman to kill her own unborn baby and that's not murder?

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:17

No, what is sad is that young people like you are science deniers and ignorant about how the world works and in the end, want to force your religious opinions unto people. It seems that to you religious conservatives, a collection of chemical elements that havent yet developed a brain or consciousness have more rights than a fully developed adult (homosexual) human being.

But oh god, such a great coinsidence (so many of those in my life lately, i think god is messing with me) i just went to see my mother 2 hours ago and she had 2 of her friends over and they were talking about abortion. Her lady friends were conservative, retired school teachers and very religious. Immediately the lights in my mind turned red and voices started yelling "Danger! Ignorant bigots detected! Must debate them! Must crush them!"

--> Long story short, usual theist shit. I hit them in the face with facts, they replied with sentimental bullshit " life is life" "the embryo can feel because i am a mother and i know" "scientists dont know" "the bible says.." after which i was like, why the fuck do i even bother. I keep trying, time and time again and always get the same result, why do i keep doing it. Lord knows..

So let me just say again, why the fuck would i bother.

> Calls fetus a collection of chemical elements (obviously it's some of your 'smartass' scientific 'arguments' for supporting abortion). Typical game of words. No sign of science there, I'm sorry.
> Doesn't get he is also one big collection of chemical elements

I think I'm are done with your 'science fact crushing' here. ZZzz

كتب بواسطة AlBoZzZ, 11.04.2016 at 18:13

One of my friend left a girl pregant, they decided for abortion.

100% against it
dont only criticize the people who do that, also the doctors who agree to become murderers and kill someone for a few $$

Shut the fuck up hypocrite. You are the one who condone murder and rape for fully developed adult males, on every opportunity, yet now crying over unborn babies.

Guess who should have had an abortion but didnt, because she was an uneducated, illiterate, smelly dumb broad, to irresponsible to choose abortion over giving birth to a monster and neglecting to instill proper values to it.

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 18:23

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:17

No, what is sad is that young people like you are science deniers and ignorant about how the world works and in the end, want to force your religious opinions unto people. It seems that to you religious conservatives, a collection of chemical elements that havent yet developed a brain or consciousness have more rights than a fully developed adult (homosexual) human being.

But oh god, such a great coinsidence (so many of those in my life lately, i think god is messing with me) i just went to see my mother 2 hours ago and she had 2 of her friends over and they were talking about abortion. Her lady friends were conservative, retired school teachers and very religious. Immediately the lights in my mind turned red and voices started yelling "Danger! Ignorant bigots detected! Must debate them! Must crush them!"

--> Long story short, usual theist shit. I hit them in the face with facts, they replied with sentimental bullshit " life is life" "the embryo can feel because i am a mother and i know" "scientists dont know" "the bible says.." after which i was like, why the fuck do i even bother. I keep trying, time and time again and always get the same result, why do i keep doing it. Lord knows..

So let me just say again, why the fuck would i bother.

> Calls fetus a collection of chemical elements (obviously it's some of your 'smartass' scientific 'arguments' for supporting abortion). Typical game of words. No sign of science there, I'm sorry.
> Doesn't get he is also one big collection of chemical elements

I think I'm are done with your 'science fact crushing' here. ZZzz

As i said, i wont bother anymore. Moreso, ive had this discussion in depth before with Tik tok and Tito aswell. At least Tik tok had some arguments, would be silly of me to loose time with lightweights, sorry bae.

I'm not gonna do a long discussion of this, but I think Abortion should be a choice that can be made by the woman (or couple), considering their superior interest and financial/social etc.. conditions.

I'm in favour of Abortion also (if woman agrees) in cases of crime, like Rape. a Woman who was raped should not be forced to have a child she didn't want.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:33

As i said, i wont bother anymore. Moreso, ive had this discussion in depth before with Tik tok and Tito aswell. At least Tik tok had some arguments, would be silly of me to loose time with lightweights, sorry bae.

Sorry, Bob Sapp, but you are just one agressive liberal whose limit are endless attacks attacks and attacks on religious ppl and muslims everywhere, even when there is not a single sign neither of religion neither of muslim. Cleanse your brain from frustrations sometimes, if that's AW forum, I will forgive you.
PS. stop using word 'science' vainly, cuz you know shit about it

كتب بواسطة Goblin, 11.04.2016 at 18:07

Its their body... no it isnt, its a body of a separate organism.

The biological processes of a foetus are not independent - they exist only as an extension of the mother's own biological system - like her leg.

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 18:39

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:33

As i said, i wont bother anymore. Moreso, ive had this discussion in depth before with Tik tok and Tito aswell. At least Tik tok had some arguments, would be silly of me to loose time with lightweights, sorry bae.

Sorry, Bob Sapp, but you are just one agressive liberal whose limit are endless attacks attacks and attacks on religious ppl and muslims everywhere, even when there is not a single sign neither of religion neither of muslim. Cleanse your brain from frustrations sometimes, if that's AW forum, I will forgive you.
PS. stop using word 'science' vainly, cuz you know shit about it

Ok you got my attention now. Im working in 6 hours but what the hell, lets make it 4. Present your arguments, in single sentences, preferably numbered and i will adress all of them. Please no boring wall of text like the OP which i didnt even read, then we will see if your reasoning stems from your religion or not.

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:28

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 18:21

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:09

I wonder if you would say the same under these circumstances:

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). Why would this women keep the child? It was against here consent, it would only bring back bad memories, and maybe she is not in the financial position to raise a kid. Therefore even if the kid was born he would live would out his true mother or father as he would be taken to child services if the mother was unable to provide.

Now would you tell this mother to suck it up, and take care of the child. I can bet you any money you as the husband would be screaming at her to get rid of it.

Ok, explain something else.

A man shoots and kills a woman and her impregnated child. Not only does he get charged with the murder of the woman, he gets charged with killing the unborn baby as well.

Oh but its ok for a woman to kill her own unborn baby and that's not murder?

Yes, because the woman wanted to keep the damn baby you idiot, I could care less if the baby feels the pain or not truly. The point is how will its life be once it's born. Will it have a full filling life that will potentially allow it to get to the top of Maslow's Hierarchy or Needs, or will it grow up leaving in the dumps. Life is not measured by the ability to feel pain, but the experience it has.

A tree has life, do we sit and cry every time it is cut down?
At this point we should all just go vegan. How is having an abortion any different from people that eat Balut (fried embryo of a duck)? Because according to your guys point of view, life is life, and regardless of the stage it needs to be valued.

If you are truly human lover, and what ever you classify your self as, show some diginity to the unborn child and let it die than live a horrible unloved life. Hell humans kill their dogs because they can't walk up stairs, and now killing a embryo is where the line is drawn?

First off don't call me idiot. That's rude and uncalled for.

Murder Definition:
1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
If you kill an unborn baby, by definition it is murder. Simple. You plan to have an abortion, and you kill the baby. That fits the definition to me.

Regarding your comments on trees and animals, I now understand the absence of religion modifies your atheistic views on human life from Christians views on human life.
When you look at it from your standpoint, (atheistic), you see humans as no more than highly evolved animals. This explains why you can care less about life.
The way I view it is different, humans are not animals, any connection between animals and humans is made up by scientists who don't want to believe in a all-powerful god.
Humans have the ability to reason and to think, while animals act by instinct.
So, since we cannot argue from religion/non-religion, let me move on to make another statement.

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). And let's say she is in the financial position to raise a kid, so she keeps it.
Two years pass, the woman's husband is dead, the woman is in complete poverty, and can barely provide for herself. To avoid the responsibility of caring for her child, she kills him. She is discovered killing the child, and charged with murder.

So its murder after two years but not two years earlier?

What if you were that unborn baby due to rape, would you want your mother to kill you?
Knowing you, I bet you be like: "Kill me, I don't wanna live in poverty."

Honestly, that's basically suicide.

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:40

كتب بواسطة Goblin, 11.04.2016 at 18:07

Its their body... no it isnt, its a body of a separate organism.

The biological processes of a foetus are not independent - they exist only as an extension of the mother's own biological system - like her leg.

Love your science. U missed some classes?
No, science doesn't say it's just an extension of mother's own biological system, it's separated organism, but dependent of mothers biological system. You have lost in the meanings of these words, as usually (reffering to your discussion with tik-tok, just have read it)

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:44

Ok you got my attention now. Im working in 6 hours but what the hell, lets make it 4. Present your arguments, in single sentences, preferably numbered and i will adress all of them. Please no boring wall of text like the OP which i didnt even read, then we will see if your reasoning stems from your religion or not.

Since you have forbidden me to write boring walls of text (according to which you are very well known in these forums), I just want you to read one 'boring' text written by philosopher Alexandar Pruss, later I will give you some of doctors and few definitions from scientific books which you still don't understand clearly.
http://www.uffl.org/vol12/pruss12.pdf

Just don't come and say your very scientific argument: 'TLDR'

I can't believe there's a topic where Croat, Corrambo, Tito and I are all on the same side

These are strange times

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 18:23

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:17

No, what is sad is that young people like you are science deniers and ignorant about how the world works and in the end, want to force your religious opinions unto people. It seems that to you religious conservatives, a collection of chemical elements that havent yet developed a brain or consciousness have more rights than a fully developed adult (homosexual) human being.

But oh god, such a great coinsidence (so many of those in my life lately, i think god is messing with me) i just went to see my mother 2 hours ago and she had 2 of her friends over and they were talking about abortion. Her lady friends were conservative, retired school teachers and very religious. Immediately the lights in my mind turned red and voices started yelling "Danger! Ignorant bigots detected! Must debate them! Must crush them!"

--> Long story short, usual theist shit. I hit them in the face with facts, they replied with sentimental bullshit " life is life" "the embryo can feel because i am a mother and i know" "scientists dont know" "the bible says.." after which i was like, why the fuck do i even bother. I keep trying, time and time again and always get the same result, why do i keep doing it. Lord knows..

So let me just say again, why the fuck would i bother.

> Calls fetus a collection of chemical elements (obviously it's some of your 'smartass' scientific 'arguments' for supporting abortion). Typical game of words. No sign of science there, I'm sorry.
> Doesn't get he is also one big collection of chemical elements

I think I'm are done with your 'science fact crushing' here. ZZzz

Croat... do you remember being born?

No, you don't...

it's like killing a fish or a pig.

And personally i like bacon way too much to give a shit about the pig dying.

So think of the foetus being aborted like the killing of a pig so bitches can have their bacon (careers, financial freedom, the option to plan for a baby in the future, when they are actually ready).

Understand?

Okay, now stop posting BS threads and get a life.

FYI... I was nearly naturally aborted, and natural abortion/artificial abortion, no difference, except one is planned. Both are sad, but one has benefits and we can control it... if you care so much about saving lives, go save some Bosnian orphans from sarajevo

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 18:54

Love your science. U missed some classes?
No, science doesn't say it's just an extension of mother's own biological system, it's separated organism, but dependent of mothers biological system. You have lost in the meanings of these words, as usually (reffering to your discussion with tik-tok, just have read it)

Science is not in the business of saying, thats religions turf. rather using science we can observe the relationship between the mother and the embryo , which is created from the mothers cells. and feeds on her bloodstream until birth, just like any other organ. what does a seperate organism even mean? What is the definition? Would love to see it.

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 18:54

Since you have forbidden me to write boring walls of text (according to which you are very well known in these forums), I just want you to read one 'boring' text written by philosopher Alexandar Pruss, later I will give you some of doctors and few definitions from scientific books which you still don't understand clearly.
http://www.uffl.org/vol12/pruss12.pdf

Just don't come and say your very scientific argument: 'TLDR'

I didnt forbade, it was just a logical proposal, as to have clear points of discussion, that i could effectively identify and address. You cant expect me to respond to your conclusions, where no premises have been offered, except your usual emotional drivel. What rebuttal can i possibly offer to an argument such as "OMG abortion is murder, evil women kill their babies, its horrible, look at this youtube video man OMG look at its little hands omg i cri".

As for reading that random dude, right, im going to sleep. Forget i said anything Goodnight!

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 19:08

It's the same as people that want a doctor assisted suicide. Why would you want to live in pain when you have lived you life and now want to go before it gets too hard.

you saw vice episode didnt you?

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:17

كتب بواسطة Croat, 11.04.2016 at 17:33

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 11.04.2016 at 17:30

Why video... why..

I've posted it more from educational purpose than to shock people around, but one abortion (such as this from the video) is happening every second and no one cares, whatsmore, there are plenty of people who are even supporting it as 'mother's right'.
Sad, isn't it?

No, what is sad is that young people like you are science deniers and ignorant about how the world works and in the end, want to force your religious

seriously Not once was the word religious used or any reference to religion used. Murder is murder killing a baby is still murder, however i'm a true beleiver in free will and choice, so it is there choice to kill the baby if they are that way inclined, however its my choice to protect that child so as long as i'm alive i'll try to protect the child,

the only time abortion is in any way excusable imo is if the mother is in danger of death herself and then its again entirely up to that mother.

But really i just wanted to piont out that your hatred of religion is completely misplaced in this thread as your the first person to bring it up. religion has as much to do with this as capitalism does. ie to say it has very little

This question is based solely on social ethics and personal morals. If a society believes that is is ok to kill the child before its born that pionts more to an innate sickness in that society.

However if your society thinks that is ok to deal death out among itself no less its own young then that society is pretty much doomed to die. also on personal levels you can try to base your arguments around science but in the end murder is murder Its natural to kill you do it to eat to survive but its not natural to kill your own no less your young.
Most evolutionary studies would find that a species/society adapts and survives for the sole benefit of its future generations. Everything about a living organsims is geared to the benifit of the future generation. In that alone you should be able to see that its fucked up to end the life of something everyone should be guiding to maturity not killing before it can even breath.

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 19:08

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 18:51

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:28

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 18:21

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:09

I wonder if you would say the same under these circumstances:

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). Why would this women keep the child? It was against here consent, it would only bring back bad memories, and maybe she is not in the financial position to raise a kid. Therefore even if the kid was born he would live would out his true mother or father as he would be taken to child services if the mother was unable to provide.

Now would you tell this mother to suck it up, and take care of the child. I can bet you any money you as the husband would be screaming at her to get rid of it.

Ok, explain something else.

A man shoots and kills a woman and her impregnated child. Not only does he get charged with the murder of the woman, he gets charged with killing the unborn baby as well.

Oh but its ok for a woman to kill her own unborn baby and that's not murder?

Yes, because the woman wanted to keep the damn baby you idiot, I could care less if the baby feels the pain or not truly. The point is how will its life be once it's born. Will it have a full filling life that will potentially allow it to get to the top of Maslow's Hierarchy or Needs, or will it grow up leaving in the dumps. Life is not measured by the ability to feel pain, but the experience it has.

A tree has life, do we sit and cry every time it is cut down?
At this point we should all just go vegan. How is having an abortion any different from people that eat Balut (fried embryo of a duck)? Because according to your guys point of view, life is life, and regardless of the stage it needs to be valued.

If you are truly human lover, and what ever you classify your self as, show some diginity to the unborn child and let it die than live a horrible unloved life. Hell humans kill their dogs because they can't walk up stairs, and now killing a embryo is where the line is drawn?

First off don't call me idiot. That's rude and uncalled for.

Murder Definition:
1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
If you kill an unborn baby, by definition it is murder. Simple. You plan to have an abortion, and you kill the baby. That fits the definition to me.

Regarding your comments on trees and animals, I now understand the absence of religion modifies your atheistic views on human life from Christians views on human life.
When you look at it from your standpoint, (atheistic), you see humans as no more than highly evolved animals. This explains why you can care less about life.
The way I view it is different, humans are not animals, any connection between animals and humans is made up by scientists who don't want to believe in a all-powerful god.
Humans have the ability to reason and to think, while animals act by instinct.
So, since we cannot argue from religion/non-religion, let me move on to make another statement.

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). And let's say she is in the financial position to raise a kid, so she keeps it.
Two years pass, the woman's husband is dead, the woman is in complete poverty, and can barely provide for herself. To avoid the responsibility of caring for her child, she kills him. She is discovered killing the child, and charged with murder.

So its murder after two years but not two years earlier?

What if you were that unborn baby due to rape, would you want your mother to kill you?
Knowing you, I bet you be like: "Kill me, I don't wanna live in poverty."

Honestly, that's basically suicide.

Stop taking the topic out of proportion. An abortion ONLY occurs when the baby is INSIDE the mother, no one is talking about murdering a two year old baby except you. ABORTION is the topic at hand, I'm not saying that killing is right. What I'm saying is the baby is in no position to make its own decisions, and no one else but the MOTHER and the FATHER have the right to the life of that baby. It's the same as people that want a doctor assisted suicide. Why would you want to live in pain when you have lived you life and now want to go before it gets too hard. Same applies in this situation, why would you want to live a brutal life where you are unloved (key thing- regardless of financial situation), and unwanted where you can never meet self actualization.

About your evolution thing, please don't go all coo-coo on me. It's proven fact humans evolved from apes. Religion has no proof but bunch of people willing to be spoon fed anything to help them get through their lives. Humans always need something to believe, if it help you - look at science as a religion. Also, what do you do if the mother will die if she attempts to keep the baby? Now do you value one humans life over another?

I rest my case, I see your point of view - don't get me wrong, but I still feel that a mothers wishes out way the unknown wants of -200 day old baby (yes, the baby isn't even born yet).

LOL proven fact we evolved from apes. Why aren't apes evolving today into more humans? The real question is, why are there still apes? Its been, (idk, how many years do you evolutionists say the world been around this time?).
ALSO, how do you expect me to believe that a big bang happened? You may say the earth happened as a result of the big bang, but how were the particles that came together to form the big bang made?
It makes a lot more sense that an all-powerful God made everything, than to believe something happened from nothing.

The baby is born, it is living and breathing like you and me.

Abortion and murder is one in the same, a premeditated killing of a human being by another human.

Now with this said, let me restate my example:
A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). And let's say she is in the financial position to raise a kid, so she keeps it.
Two years pass, the woman's husband is dead, the woman is in complete poverty, and can barely provide for herself. To avoid the responsibility of caring for her child, she kills him. She is discovered killing the child, and charged with murder.
So its murder after two years but not two years earlier?

Nobody has the right of life to any-other human being. That is just wrong. I don't care what the circumstances are (love, money, anything). Life is precious, I do not care the circumstance.
When I was born, there was a 25% chance I would have a rare disease, and the doctors asked my parents if they wanted an abortion. My parents said no, that would never happen. If they decided to kill me, I obviously wouldn't be here today. And honestly, I would much rather be alive and poor than dead.

I believe that human life starts as soon as conception occurs.
I believe that a human taking the life of another human is murder. (and you have to admit, babies ARE humans, like it or not)
I believe that abortion is wrong based on these facts.
I believe that no matter what situation the child will be in, he still has a RIGHT to have a life.

I'm done here, you say you understand my point, but you don't. If you understood that an unborn child was still a life, living and breathing like you and me, you would be against abortion. But you don't get it. And I doubt you will

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 20:28

LOL proven fact we evolved from apes. Why aren't apes evolving today into more humans? The real question is, why are there still apes? Its been,

Oh god please don't say that and then post about how abortion is wrong, it makes the rest of us that think abortion is wrong look bad

كتب بواسطة Viruslegion, 11.04.2016 at 20:47

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 20:28

LOL proven fact we evolved from apes. Why aren't apes evolving today into more humans? The real question is, why are there still apes? Its been,

Oh god please don't say that and then post about how abortion is wrong, it makes the rest of us that think abortion is wrong look bad

Ill say what I wish. ty

Lol there's no point in you guys arguing over this. There will always be a clear divide and both sides will never concede that they could possibly be wrong. Go play some games, AW is no place for serious discussions like this

كتب بواسطة Khal.eesi, 11.04.2016 at 18:17

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But khal, you have to understand that not all individuals that are "anti-abortion" are religious or bigots. Views on abortion are extremely diverse, even among those who want it banned.

For example, in my perfect world... Abortion would be illegal (Unless the baby has a significant chance to have health defects that would make his life permanently miserable, its the product of incest, rape or the life of the mother is in danger). To justify this, the state will subsidize birth-control methods, basic sex-ed will be freely available but optional and the state would take over any child that is unwanted at birth.

Of course Religion fundamentalist would oppose my suggestion because they are against any type of birth control, and Anarchists would oppose my suggestion because Big Brother is not giving them absolute freedom. But remember goys, both fundamentalist and anarchist gave up their natural rights when they become citizens of a secular state

كتب بواسطة Darkmace, 11.04.2016 at 18:28

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Animal rights are irrelevant, we butcher them in masses. Humans in the other hand have fundamental rights
Why do you care about the feelings of a child that not long ago you didn't mind butchering?

If you don't want the child, give it up to the state.

كتب بواسطة Heat Check, 11.04.2016 at 21:14

Lol there's no point in you guys arguing over this. There will always be a clear divide and both sides will never concede that they could possibly be wrong. Go play some games, AW is no place for serious discussions like this

Well actually for someone like me who is not really convinced about it either way threads like this are interesting

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 18:51

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). And let's say she is in the financial position to raise a kid, so she keeps it.
Two years pass, the woman's husband is dead, the woman is in complete poverty, and can barely provide for herself. To avoid the responsibility of caring for her child, she kills him. She is discovered killing the child, and charged with murder.

So its murder after two years but not two years earlier?

What if you were that unborn baby due to rape, would you want your mother to kill you?
Knowing you, I bet you be like: "Kill me, I don't wanna live in poverty."

Honestly, that's basically suicide.

The rapist doesn't deserve to have his gens in the gen-pool. Unwanted pregnancies can be prevented and the mother bears responsibility for them, Rapes can't be prevented and the mother is not at fault.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 11.04.2016 at 21:39

كتب بواسطة Zenith, 11.04.2016 at 18:51

A happily married women for 10 years gets brutally raped in the streets. She is now impregnated with a child (which she learns about the very next day). And let's say she is in the financial position to raise a kid, so she keeps it.
Two years pass, the woman's husband is dead, the woman is in complete poverty, and can barely provide for herself. To avoid the responsibility of caring for her child, she kills him. She is discovered killing the child, and charged with murder.

So its murder after two years but not two years earlier?

What if you were that unborn baby due to rape, would you want your mother to kill you?
Knowing you, I bet you be like: "Kill me, I don't wanna live in poverty."

Honestly, that's basically suicide.

The rapist doesn't deserve to have his gens in the gen-pool. Unwanted pregnancies can be prevented and the mother bears responsibility for them, Rapes can't be prevented and the mother is not at fault.

Still murder, you are taking a live, no matter how it came into the world.
Look I said I'm done here. Stop quoting me people.