PC drop for cw ?

We need more players for 3N3 and competitive. Thus we need incentives.

So i just present the idea without developping it too much but here are the principles :

Point n°1 :

1 PC for every played CW.

If u play more than x cw in a week, u multiply this number by 2

If u win more than 1/2 of them, u multiply this number by 2, without the possibility to exceed x number / week etc... If u win 80% of them multiply by x number, if u win 100% of them multiply by x number etc...

Just like u have an account that summarize the amount of earnings u get from the person u invite, u'll get a special tab with the list of the PC u won, the number of cw etc...

Since Sun got demoted, we barely have any PC drop anymore

Point 2 and 3 have been deleted from the list.

Strong idea from noob player

Someone with PC to promote the thread ?

And btw if u vote no, please explain your reasons, thus we'll find more arguments

Am curious.
how does nerfing rp/scenarios improve cw ?
i play all except cw(clan does not do it.)

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Point n°3 :

SP nerf for rps and scenarios. U can play thousand of rps and reach a high rank without 0 skills, it needs to change, the soul of the game are the cws and the 3N3.

Feel free to add anything u want.

++ Could work for duels alose (ex 0.25 PC / duel).

Wrong, RP players play a lot more than competitive players. Also, 25% SP on RP games are already too much. If you play an RP game for 2 hours straight you barely get 200 SP, and if you spent 2 hours on a CW you would get at least 1-2k sp. The only way that RP players are a high rank, it's because they play much more.

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Point n°3 :

SP nerf for rps and scenarios. U can play thousand of rps and reach a high rank without 0 skills, it needs to change, the soul of the game are the cws and the 3N3.

Feel free to add anything u want.

++ Could work for duels alose (ex 0.25 PC / duel).

There's no need for sp nerfs for rp's as most already make a quarter of their SP, and most scenarios(those coming from the mainstream map makers at least) make a fair amount of sp. If you compare my games to yours, you earn much more SP per turn than I did.
For my games in the past 410 days, these are my most SP earning games and how much SP I earned and SP per turn
test game - 45 turns 1260 sp, 28 sp per turn
epic - 27 turns 845 sp, 31 sp per turn
epic 3 banners war - 24 turns, 796 sp, 33 sp per turn

Now compare to your most SP earning games in 50 days (reason I'm doing such a short period compared to mine is because you play more often than I do, if I limited to last 50 days as well I'd be well short of the SP you make) limiting it to 3v3's and CW games to stay relevant to the topic.
the boyz vs no rankism, 9 turns 1464 SP, 162 SP per turn
Amigos vs cCc TURAN cCc, 9 turns 916 SP, 101 SP per turn
Tuxedo boys vs Peaky blinders, 9 turns 880 SP, 97 SP per turn

كتب بواسطة Guest, 01.11.2018 at 06:02

We need more players for 3N3 and competitive. Thus we need incentives.

So i just present the idea without developping it too much but here are the principles :

Point n°1 :

1 PC for every played CW.

If u play more than x cw in a week, u multiply this number by 2

If u win more than 1/2 of them, u multiply this number by 2, without the possibility to exceed x number / week etc... If u win 80% of them multiply by x number, if u win 100% of them multiply by x number etc...

Just like u have an account that summarize the amount of earnings u get from the person u invite, u'll get a special tab with the list of the PC u won, the number of cw etc...

Since Sun got demoted, we barely have any PC drop anymore

Point n°2 :

SP buff to cws ;

Point n°3 :

SP nerf for rps and scenarios. U can play thousand of rps and reach a high rank without 0 skills, it needs to change, the soul of the game are the cws and the 3N3.

Feel free to add anything u want.

++ Could work for duels alose (ex 0.25 PC / duel).

if cw get it scenarios should get it aswell. but i am against nonetheless.
also
>buff cw's SP even more
>nerf scenario's SP

cw = a game made to compete with other clans

it has SP buff because admins want to make people compete because when you compete you play more (training/actualy cw's) and evenw willing to pay money to have better chances (premium and protocoins) and you may also invite friends to help you win. or atleast it was the main idea when atwar was alive. and you have trophies for it aswell as a incentive.



scenarios = custom maps (with pre-made countries/picks) that players made for players so they will have fun without trying to achieve something (altho some players are doing challenges on some maps, mostly in ww1/ww2 maps to achieve things). it has no SP boost (and by this i mean % that is higher than 100) because if one custom map/scenario get it then it has to get some system that will have to effect all scenarios respectively (altho this wheel of war has but its the only one as far as i know).



RP = scenarios that adds rules to it beyond basic rules the general community made (no wf t1 etc.) and make the players add more flavor to the game (like "coup happend in he usa, the government is now a commie").

it has SP nerf (most of the times) to balance the SP gains from it to be close to the world map.



SP multiplayer = to balance the SP gains from maps relativly to the basic map (world map, not eu/eu+ which are most cws). created because of rp which made a legit way to farm SP and isnt possible anymore (meme 6.75%-25% SP multiplayer)

imo any change to one of those has to be justified and explained why it doesnt apply to the other types.
which means you have to make a balanced way to give each protocoins (you said its for people to play more clan wars, then it should be more protocoins for the types that are played the least).

anyway it will cause a big inflation of protocoins, and will destroy atwar.

Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed

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Anyway it will cause a big inflation of protocoins, and will destroy atwar.

Disagree, protocoins are virtually useless to people with lifetime premium which a lot of the competitve players have anyways. It'd be OP if people migrated over however and mass gained PC's. outside of buying premium PC's have absolutely no viable usage. Promoting games is a waste of time as you can get a mod to feature it for free, promoting a forum, is alright I guess? But the chances are, most players are not gonna have a reason to promote a forum thread. Boosting your SP however is a nice usage, but the problem is.. most PC drops are small, like 24 and that's implying that there's only 1 winner, if multiple people win it's split between them and the SP boost is only effective if you're actively playing. Incognito mode is irrelevant. Promoting games is a waste of time since there is never any more games than 20+ in main room, Main isn't like casual with 100+ games.

The only real useful PC uses are for premium (which a lot of people have anyways) and an SP boost. Though the SP boost can't be downplayed because you might be able to get the useful upgrades just having the upgrades won't destroy balance in games, having upgrades like expendable infantry or lucky infantry won't make you god or anything so it's not OP.

Disagree with this.

cws already get a 2x sp buff i guess that was its original incentive

most rps are already sp nerfed by 50% or 75% depending on city count.

The only thing competitive needs is a duel incentive either 2x sp for duels as well, or 1PC every winning duel

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كتب بواسطة Black Vortex, 01.11.2018 at 09:19

Anyway it will cause a big inflation of protocoins, and will destroy atwar.

Disagree, protocoins are virtually useless to people with lifetime premium which a lot of the competitve players have anyways.

if protocoins are useless then no need to give it to people as an incentive.

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 01.11.2018 at 09:51

Disagree with this.

cws already get a 2x sp buff i guess that was its original incentive

most rps are already sp nerfed by 50% or 75% depending on city count.

The only thing competitive needs is a duel incentive either 2x sp for duels as well, or 1PC every winning duel

200% SP for duels
1 PC per duel

Furthermore, I consider that NWE must be destroyed

Yea lets not forget how many ppl farm noobs in duels for elo so doubling SP or giving em PC just means that some ppl will abuse the shit outa it.

كتب بواسطة sirivann, 01.11.2018 at 11:38

Yea lets not forget how many ppl farm noobs in duels for elo so doubling SP or giving em PC just means that some ppl will abuse the shit outa it.

Not if u cannot win more than x PC / week

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 01.11.2018 at 09:51

Disagree with this.

cws already get a 2x sp buff i guess that was its original incentive

most rps are already sp nerfed by 50% or 75% depending on city count.

The only thing competitive needs is a duel incentive either 2x sp for duels as well, or 1PC every winning duel

yea i do agree with this, but I think to kaskas point, it seems he thinks a revitalization of the CW scene might shake things up a bit? correct me if im wrong on that one. I see the benefit, but i dont see the harm in PC drops for cws. Maybe make them random instead of every cw?

كتب بواسطة Guest, 01.11.2018 at 11:48

2nd : the game is dying, we need to do something about it, and the heart of atwar remains competitive 3N3

rather, its the scenario community that is the heart of atwar. think what you will but they are far more active and consistent than competitive. Skill wise and conceptually competitive is the essence of atwar, but scenario players are the most active

كتب بواسطة Guest, 01.11.2018 at 11:48

And to the people just saying no without giving any explanation, any idea just because they don't like competitive :

1st : go fuck your self

2nd : the game is dying, we need to do something about it, and the heart of atwar remains competitive 3N3

i was one who said no so i'll give my explanation.

1st: go fuck YOURself
2nd: that the game is dying has nothing to do with strategies or the lack of them.
3rd: better and easier to invent new strategies instead of fucking with the already established ones.
4th: many like the strategies as they are but are not opposed to new ones.
5th: if it ain't broke don't fix it.
6th: i've been playing one strategy for two months now and am still getting familiar with it, there are many nuances to a single strategy
7th: if people want a balanced strategy than (here's a wild and crazy idea, ready for it?) make a NEW BALANCED STRATEGY and wait for it---wait for it-- call it "BALANCED" woo-hoo! why fuck with 12 strategies instead of just making a new one?
8th: i'm sure there are dozens and dozens of players who don't want the current strategies modified or tweaked.
9th: this post is kind of hidden and tucked away to get a truly representative sample of all the players and members anyway.
10th: IF the game is dying (which is arguable to begin with) it's probably got more to do with a few of the loudest complainers and criers getting their way at the expense of the many.
11th: go fuck yourself.
12th: this entire thread seems to have been started out of boredom. bet this isn't the first time you tried some silly shit like this is it?
13th: you wanna tweak some shit i've already paid good money for AS IS, go start your own site, design your own shit, then invite me over and see if i wanna pay good money for it. quit harassing owners/operators/webdesigners/codewriters/ et al "those who are vested in this website".
14th: go wank off conar mcgregor then
15th: see "1st and 11th"

I think the point 1 can make consensus

I have no idea what that means. it's like you're using english WORDS, and i know the DEFINITION of consensus, but when i put it with point 1 i get "go fuck yourself can make consensus". 34 to 8 is hardly a consensus, much less a quorom, and that's probably not even what you meant anyway. what you meant was "i can speak gibberish!" and "i have no intelligent reply so go fuck yourself!" which further means, you've wasted everyone's fucking time because all you really wanted to do, even given your junior high jury-rigged pre algebra bullshit, was simply yell at everyone "go fuck yourself", which was your first and singular point after all, and the ONLY fucking point to this entire thread pretty much everybody's gonna come away with.

so we're all agreed then: everybody should go fuck themselves. good job.

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

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كتب بواسطة j-e-s-u-s, 01.11.2018 at 10:34

كتب بواسطة Black Vortex, 01.11.2018 at 09:19

Anyway it will cause a big inflation of protocoins, and will destroy atwar.

Disagree, protocoins are virtually useless to people with lifetime premium which a lot of the competitve players have anyways.

if protocoins are useless then no need to give it to people as an incentive.

I never said I agreed to the idea in the first place

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

Beginners who wants to try to get some premium time for free, getting xps in the process. Simple.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

so we can promote cancer threads

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Beginners who wants to try to get some premium time for free, getting xps in the process. Simple.

That'd be good for beginners but it's actually not as simple as that, not many beginners will last in the competitive scene with high ranks, they'll get slammed again and again. The learning curve is really difficult for newcomers when going up against experienced 3v3'ers, I used to be into competitive games and I even joined Mystics in hopes someone would help me get better at competitive games but that just wasn't the case, so I ended up leaving back in 2014. Unless there's a giant influx of beginners, they won't survive fighting against high ranks unless those high ranks actually want to put forth the effort into helping them get better.
Anyways, my point in bringing this up is: how do you know beginners won't get tired of continuously getting beat down by higher ranks and won't just give up on competitive, sure that's not the case with everyone and some people may enjoy it and want to keep getting better but I just don't see a way beginners could easily fit into the competitive scene with people who will be 10x better than them.

Scenarios should be added into CW's, they should also make it you can start CW's with players either side to make it easier and... I think a lot of other players are just none the wiser to the fact that CW's are x2 SP... because I would have thought that simple fact would have dragged in so many more players

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

It's to bring in lower ranked players who need the SP/PC

كتب بواسطة Guest, 01.11.2018 at 18:24

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

Beginners who wants to try to get some premium time for free, getting xps in the process. Simple.

No offense, but lets be honest, most of you clans do not even invite or accept beginners without premium, so I do not see how beginners without premium and without clans have any benefits of this.

A bit of hypocrisy imo.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 02.11.2018 at 04:40

كتب بواسطة Guest, 01.11.2018 at 18:24

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

Beginners who wants to try to get some premium time for free, getting xps in the process. Simple.

No offense, but lets be honest, most of you clans do not even invite or accept beginners without premium, so I do not see how beginners without premium and without clans have any benefits of this.

A bit of hypocrisy imo.

I don't want new players or new coa to farm ; the goal of this new PC gain system would be to increase the clans creation, and see more medium ranks non prem cws.

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كتب بواسطة Black Vortex, 01.11.2018 at 19:29

Beginners who wants to try to get some premium time for free, getting xps in the process. Simple.

That'd be good for beginners but it's actually not as simple as that, not many beginners will last in the competitive scene with high ranks, they'll get slammed again and again. The learning curve is really difficult for newcomers when going up against experienced 3v3'ers, I used to be into competitive games and I even joined Mystics in hopes someone would help me get better at competitive games but that just wasn't the case, so I ended up leaving back in 2014. Unless there's a giant influx of beginners, they won't survive fighting against high ranks unless those high ranks actually want to put forth the effort into helping them get better.
Anyways, my point in bringing this up is: how do you know beginners won't get tired of continuously getting beat down by higher ranks and won't just give up on competitive, sure that's not the case with everyone and some people may enjoy it and want to keep getting better but I just don't see a way beginners could easily fit into the competitive scene with people who will be 10x better than them.

As i mentionned, the goal would be to see more mid rank clans / mid ranks cw

That's why we need an " introduction to clans and cws " topic / system cause most of the time it's intuitu personae, relying on the good will of high ranks to train / explain the game to someone.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

The idea is obviously to attract low rank who often don't have prem or sp.

kanker hoer

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 02.11.2018 at 08:03

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.11.2018 at 18:09

How in the hell will this make it any more appealing? Protocoins mean jackshit in this game, same goes for sp after a certain rank.

The idea is obviously to attract low rank who often don't have prem or sp.

kanker hoer

Attracting and allowing & participating are 2 different things though.

You and I both know the whole reason of this is dubious and most of the people who its aimed at, according to you guys, won't see any of the pc or sp.

Slettebak

Bump

We need SP multiplier for duels. PC drop for cws is also a very good idea