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كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 01.11.2019 at 18:21

كتب بواسطة SQUARED, 26.10.2019 at 03:42

Thanks. I updated most of this stuff, hopefully its more balanced now

- china currently has 146 spawn to japans 181. Add another 30.
- infantry should have - 2 defence vs waffen SS
- +500 income to manstein
- Buff germany income too.
- Add a carrier fighter unit to the map for aircraft carrier protection.
- italy +400 income
- Thai +200 income.
And would it be possible to make canada and australia 1 side?

- Its kinda hard to find where to add these extra units, so I replaced the air bases with normal cities and also increased it slightly elsewhere, and nerfed japan slightly.
- It should have this already. Maybe it isn't working?
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كتب بواسطة SQUARED, 03.11.2019 at 01:43

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 01.11.2019 at 18:21

كتب بواسطة SQUARED, 26.10.2019 at 03:42

Thanks. I updated most of this stuff, hopefully its more balanced now

- china currently has 146 spawn to japans 181. Add another 30.
- infantry should have - 2 defence vs waffen SS
- +500 income to manstein
- Buff germany income too.
- Add a carrier fighter unit to the map for aircraft carrier protection.
- italy +400 income
- Thai +200 income.
And would it be possible to make canada and australia 1 side?

- Its kinda hard to find where to add these extra units, so I replaced the air bases with normal cities and also increased it slightly elsewhere, and nerfed japan slightly.
- It should have this already. Maybe it isn't working?
- Done
- Done
- Not done yet
- Done
- Done
- Done

Thanks but China still needs more. Now its Japan 182 to Chinas 148. Give China an extra 25. China also has to contend with manch in the lategame so it needs these units. I dont agree with Japan nerfs. It needs to be a strong side capable of funding the others if necessary and fighting america lategame should it be successful in Asia.

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كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 03.11.2019 at 07:51

Germany supported the unification of Ireland during ww2. If you weren't a bunch of pansies you would've joined the war, and prevent supplies from reaching the UK, putting them out of the war.


No UK ->Germany imports food and oil -> We win the war -> Ireland unification + potentially even more land

Germany nearly starved twice because of the british blockade.

Now the allies won, and look at you. Thinking it's ok to wear skirts as a man and dig for dookey.

Dude don't merge Canada and Australia, they were always separated. Canada was that cyan color(idk the name) and Australia was light pink/purple, it is to be different color from Siam and to have higher starting reinf to be able to fight properly. After 5 years this became ingrained, it's working, we used to it, it reminds us of glory days of WW2, it makes room for more players so more fun, no need to change it. Leave it separated.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 09:23

Dude don't merge Canada and Australia, they were always separated. Canada was that cyan color(idk the name) and Australia was light pink/purple, it is to be different color from Siam and to have higher starting reinf to be able to fight properly. After 5 years this became ingrained, it's working, we used to it, it reminds us of glory days of WW2, it makes room for more players so more fun, no need to change it. Leave it separated.

yea except we are struggling to get 19 players. On their own both picks are quite boring to play. Together it should be more interesting and challenging.

كتب بواسطة SQUARED, 03.11.2019 at 01:43

- Its kinda hard to find where to add these extra units, so I replaced the air bases with normal cities and also increased it slightly elsewhere, and nerfed japan slightly.

In unleashed's latest version before he deleted it, China used to have events, like random stacks in Northwest and Southwest, those stacks in Northwest used to be there since turn 0, like 20 infs or something, and in Southwest 15 bombers/fighters in total. Later when Machu is sweeping in, like turn 5 I think, there were also some event units in Northwest, like 15 or 10, not sure.

Japan doesn't need a nerf, its pretty good tbh, only China needs more units.

I dont think 25 is enough, maybe 30 or 35.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 09:23

Dude don't merge Canada and Australia, they were always separated. Canada was that cyan color(idk the name) and Australia was light pink/purple, it is to be different color from Siam and to have higher starting reinf to be able to fight properly. After 5 years this became ingrained, it's working, we used to it, it reminds us of glory days of WW2, it makes room for more players so more fun, no need to change it. Leave it separated.

Canada en Aussie were merged, due to the fact 19 people took forever to fill and since both countries really didnt had much to do, it was a good choice to merge them and it actually worked. So im in strong favour of merging them again, and I agree, Aussie should be pink and canada cyan, its difficult with Siam and Aussie colours looking familiar.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 03.11.2019 at 10:34

yea except we are struggling to get 19 players. On their own both picks are quite boring to play. Together it should be more interesting and challenging.

+-1 player won't make a difference concerning filling a game. WW2 always had separated Canada and Australia, until Tik-Tok merged it in his now controversial update with lanes, which many complain about. Beside, it is more interesting to have unique countries than mergers, so players can focus their fronts and have more startinf reinf like Siam, Manchuria and Balkan Axis.

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Russia and China buffed like crazy, and so you need to give Manstein +500 income boost instead +200-300 to balance. Dude don't make this Neuordung! Just make this classic WW2 balanced!

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 11:14

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Russia and China buffed like crazy, and so you need to give Manstein +500 income boost instead +200-300 to balance. Dude don't make this Neuordung! Just make this classic WW2 balanced!

Why do you always choose to be such a pain in the ass?

How on earth is China ''buffed like crazy''

China starts with 160 units, Japan with 194. Thats 34 units less. https://i.imgur.com/iiojko9.png , https://i.imgur.com/ttMNiuB.png
China has 149 reinforcements, Japan has 183, Thats 34 reinforcements less. https://i.imgur.com/nEGomsC.png , https://i.imgur.com/D8cBxj0.png

Thats a total of 68 total units less for China, a country that isn't supposed to have a huge disadvantage vs Japan, Its not UK vs Germany here.

Also lets not forget that China is a huge ass country, that has very spread cities and reinfs, so traveling and walling consumes alot of units and traveling time. China has an income of 2603, while Japan has an income of 4096, and China has to face Manchuria, after it, most of the times very quickly and easy, defeats Russia in Asia.

So how on earth do you have the audacity to call all of this balanced?

If you call all these disadvantages combined 'buffed like crazy'' you really shouldn't have a say in all of these and a mod or an admin should remove your not so constructive comments, honestly 2 screenshots of me telling u to shut up? Lmao.. I honestly have no idea why people still take u serious at all...

Do us all a favour and just stop wasting all of our times, thanks

Manstein needs +10 reinfs and more money

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 11:14

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Russia and China buffed like crazy, and so you need to give Manstein +500 income boost instead +200-300 to balance. Dude don't make this Neuordung! Just make this classic WW2 balanced!

Thats some steadfast conservatism there :p. Old/classic does not mean good. And you'll notice Manstein just got 2 buffs if you read my post correctly. It may need more but we will figure that out.

Besides the original ww2 still exists and you can play it if you wish. Personally i like balance and good/fair gameplay so I will work with other players on getting this iteration of ww2 up to scratch.

No offence but the balance of the old versions is horrendous. This gets exposed when you put competitive players in the picks. Its simple math. How is china supposed to hold with 80 less units and 2k less income than jap? Thats going to be a really fun game for the China player getting steamrolled. Not to mention when manchuria attacks china t5 too. Dont even get me started on the old Siam vs UK.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 03.11.2019 at 13:07

Thats some steadfast conservatism there :p. Old/classic does not mean good. And you'll notice Manstein just got 2 buffs if you read my post correctly. It may need more but we will figure that out.

Besides the original ww2 still exists and you can play it if you wish. Personally i like balance and good/fair gameplay so I will work with other players on getting this iteration of ww2 up to scratch.

No offence but the balance of the old versions is horrendous. This gets exposed when you put competitive players in the picks. Its simple math. How is china supposed to hold with 80 less units and 2k less income than jap? Thats going to be a really fun game for the China player getting steamrolled. Not to mention when manchuria attacks china t5 too. Dont even get me started on the old Siam vs UK.

Original indeed exist, but it is not custom so people wont join it. This was supposed to be closest to the original, but you are advising too big changes!

If China have 2k less income, then simply nerf Japan, don't boost China to crazy levels, you'll break historical realism and gameplay. Or add event army like Kuomintang, NRA, Communists, or Chinese Conscript 3/5, otherwise you'll just copy crazy income of Neuordung.

Manchuria have to face Soviet Mongolia, and original WW2 gave USSR 2 stacks of 20 inf near Vladivostok to soak up Manchu tanks, Tik-Tok removed this in his version and instead added anti-tank infantry to be buyable.

All i am saying, keep realism in mind when advising changes, remember where industries and war production is, give income there + buff for balance, not the other way around.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 03.11.2019 at 13:24

Original indeed exist, but it is not custom so people wont join it. This was supposed to be closest to the original, but you are advising too big changes!

If China have 2k less income, then simply nerf Japan, don't boost China to crazy levels, you'll break historical realism and gameplay. Or add event army like Kuomintang, NRA, Communists, or Chinese Conscript 3/5, otherwise you'll just copy crazy income of Neuordung.

Manchuria have to face Soviet Mongolia, and original WW2 gave USSR 2 stacks of 20 inf near Vladivostok to soak up Manchu tanks, Tik-Tok removed this in his version and instead added anti-tank infantry to be buyable.

All i am saying, keep realism in mind when advising changes, remember where industries and war production is, give income there + buff for balance, not the other way around.

Can you try actually playing the picks before launching criticisms? We aren't making China America 2.0. We are simply giving it the economy to support its own unit production with midrange income strats. It's not a revolutionary change. There were event units in the old version like chinese conscripts. If Squared wishes he can go down that route. I don't care. I just want the pick capable of giving Japan a good fight. It's far more fun that way. Right now its too weak.

How is it historically accurate to give Japan the same income as China. It should be wealthy and from a gameplay variety perspective, I want to see it able to use strats like ironfist and LB.

I want good gameplay balance and realism as much as possible. Who says we can't have it all. If you wish to go play RP where the allies win everytime Then I'm sure their is sevaral ww2s already that will cater to that desire.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 04.11.2019 at 16:11

Can you try actually playing the picks before launching criticisms? We aren't making China America 2.0. We are simply giving it the economy to support its own unit production with midrange income strats. It's not a revolutionary change. There were event units in the old version like chinese conscripts. If Squared wishes he can go down that route. I don't care. I just want the pick capable of giving Japan a good fight. It's far more fun that way. Right now its too weak.

How is it historically accurate to give Japan the same income as China. It should be wealthy and from a gameplay variety perspective, I want to see it able to use strats like ironfist and LB.

I want good gameplay balance and realism as much as possible. Who says we can't have it all. If you wish to go play RP where the allies win everytime Then I'm sure their is sevaral ww2s already that will cater to that desire.

1. How can you be ok with 1k income boost for only one region and then say 'if you want RP go to other place' in the same sentence?

2. IF and LB as China in WW2? Ok then we were on the different page, i thought Squared published WW2 Classic.

3. Balance is fine, but not by positioning cities to match each other distance or giving exactly same income and troop numbers. WW2 is fun because it is historical scenario, not bland gameboard. Sorry if im wrong, but i thought this was supposed to bring back original WW2, the game we all enjoyed for years and had great time, so we can repeat and relive this gold era. I have no problem with people making their ww2, but Squared specifically wrote 'og' and 'original ww2'.

China had 1000-1500 income overall, not just one region, Japan was 1500-2000, USA 4000, Russia 1500-2000, Germany 1500. Vichy had 1500 for balancing reasions, Manchu and Siam 1000. Let's see how will Squared's WW2 compare to this when the update/balancing is over.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 04.11.2019 at 17:43

1. How can you be ok with 1k income boost for only one region and then say 'if you want RP go to other place' in the same sentence?

2. IF and LB as China in WW2? Ok then we were on the different page, i thought Squared published WW2 Classic.

3. Balance is fine, but not by positioning cities to match each other distance or giving exactly same income and troop numbers. WW2 is fun because it is historical scenario, not bland gameboard. Sorry if im wrong, but i thought this was supposed to bring back original WW2, the game we all enjoyed for years and had great time, so we can repeat and relive this gold era. I have no problem with people making their ww2, but Squared specifically wrote 'og' and 'original ww2'.

China had 1000-1500 income overall, not just one region, Japan was 1500-2000, USA 4000, Russia 1500-2000, Germany 1500. Vichy had 1500 for balancing reasions, Manchu and Siam 1000. Let's see how will Squared's WW2 compare to this when the update/balancing is over.

Ok enough. I cant have a discussion with someone who has poor reading comprehension. Waste of forum space explaining things i have already clearly stated.

1. China hasnt been boosted by 1k. It was 500.

2. I was clearly talking about Japan not China.

3. There's a reason nobody plays the old WW2 anymore.

I agree, waste of time talking to a competitive who never touched a scenario until map editor got broken and old scenario players stopped playing.

1. You want IF and LB for China
2. Reason nobody plays old WW2 because its been years and many players moved on, we have thousands of map plays and tens of thousands of hours playing. Unleashed wanted to remember old days by reviving WW2, and you are giving some ridiculous advises to suit your 'competitive' playstyle.

Go ahead, we are done with WW2, Tik-Tok, I, Tunder, Che, A R, Unleashed, Hellykin, TJnuke, Zuwer, Devil, we raped the map by length and width, now it is your time. Enjoy, but do not call it WW2 classic or original so you can be connected to us and our WW2 experience

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 05.11.2019 at 11:29

I agree, waste of time talking to a competitive who never touched a scenario until map editor got broken and old scenario players stopped playing.

1. You want IF and LB for China
2. Reason nobody plays old WW2 because its been years and many players moved on, we have thousands of map plays and tens of thousands of hours playing. Unleashed wanted to remember old days by reviving WW2, and you are giving some ridiculous advises to suit your 'competitive' playstyle.

Go ahead, we are done with WW2, Tik-Tok, I, Tunder, Che, A R, Unleashed, Hellykin, TJnuke, Zuwer, Devil, we raped the map by length and width, now it is your time. Enjoy, but do not call it WW2 classic or original so you can be connected to us and our WW2 experience

Judging by the incomes they should call this RP 1942

Me: I want Japan to be wealthy and able to play ironfist/lb but I want China to be strong enough to hold vs it.

Tito: You want China to be able to play IF and LB?

Me: No read what I just said, I said Japan.

Tito: Hahaha noob you want China to be able to play LB/IF.

Basically every Tito argument on atwar forums ever. ^^

Look at all the fronts, instead of just nerfing japan in asian front. Nerfing japan means nerfing axis. But idk have to play it a lot to see if its unbalanced