Ds Nerf

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 02.04.2017 at 10:05

When we encountered ds on africa i died t1 to a ds rush on SAs cap. I sent khal my money and he killed cameroon by t5. The ds player spammed militia and pushed north with occasional heli support outexpanding and outproducing khal who was imperialist. Khal tried taking north but was driven out. That is ridiculous. On a map like africa if you take advantage of a power strat like sm if or ds t1 to gain an expansion advantage, you shouldnt also get the benefit of a powerful lategame after. It unbalances that area of the meta. I agree with you, it should definitely be below gw imp hw pd and blitz there.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 02.04.2017 at 10:05

The reason i encouraged you to try those settings is because that is where the imbalance lies. Ds' unmatched expansion and unit prod capabilities because of the 5 defence militia. It is now worth channeling income into spamming stacks of them. Whether you can stop rushes depends on the map layout and whether or not you can bring units to your cap to defend in time. The example i provided with ukraine was getting 35-40 into kiev t3 with 1 at while taking half the map speaks for itself in terms of the criteria you mentioned . I don't know why you would expect this to be different elsewhere. The question is whether the country and surrounding area is suitable for ds or not. This is why i favour the militia defence nerf. If the units arent so powerful then the problem ismore manageable.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 02.04.2017 at 10:05

I don't see how those duels you are suggesting would provide much in the way of useful data. True competition's income is too low to support these strats. Symmetrical eu however would work in terms of a fair battle. If you want we can try it but i dont see how it will help...

كتب بواسطة Evic, 09.04.2017 at 10:35

K clovis, name a strat that has 130 cost 8 att (10 vs inf) 5 def and 11 range attack unit along with 5 def 30 cost defence unit.

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 11:49

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

I dont think therell be much whining on this one. Just the usual from waffel and clovis. And the likes of 4nic...

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 19.05.2017 at 11:56

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 11:49

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

I dont think therell be much whining on this one. Just the usual from waffel and clovis. And the likes of 4nic...

DS needed nerf, so idk why you try to slander me..

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 19.05.2017 at 11:58

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 19.05.2017 at 11:56

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 11:49

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

I dont think therell be much whining on this one. Just the usual from waffel and clovis. And the likes of 4nic...

DS needed nerf, so idk why you try to slander me..

I remember you arguing that it didn't need a nerf a bunch of times..

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 01.04.2017 at 12:57

I dont see the problem with DS? It didn't need boost in the first place, thats clearly obvious, but thats what happends with any strategy that does not fit in to the playstyle of this 'general strats only'-community, the strategy needed to get played more, and that is what happened, so be happy instead of wanting to nerf any strategy after they rise eery time. Making DS end up like blitz and RA is just plane stupid, we don't have any other strategies left in the end besides PD/imp..?

Delete the militia deffense if you think that would work, I think it wont have much of an impact anyways.

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 19.05.2017 at 11:56

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 11:49

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

I dont think therell be much whining on this one. Just the usual from waffel and clovis. And the likes of 4nic...

DS needed nerf, so idk why you try to slander me..

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 12:06

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 19.05.2017 at 11:56

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 11:49

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 19.05.2017 at 10:17

Here comes the waves of whiners.

I dont think therell be much whining on this one. Just the usual from waffel and clovis. And the likes of 4nic...

DS needed nerf, so idk why you try to slander me..

>slander

Is this where we start seeing the fruits of that law degree?

كتب بواسطة Waffel, 19.05.2017 at 12:19

Stop trying to be funny, you are as funny as much free_warrior is normal.

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كتب بواسطة 4nic, 19.05.2017 at 11:59

Anyway if DS milita are like SM milita, you should also consider making DS infs like SM infs

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 30.03.2017 at 10:14

I dont want to see ds rendered useless.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 09:38

It is finally done, -1 defence to militia.

كتب بواسطة clovis1122, 20.05.2017 at 11:20

Shame. Now aqo and nic are gonna use it as an excuse when I beat hem the next time....

DS's niche will also get reduced. Though the strategy itself won't become useless.

Was fun while it lasted.

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 30.03.2017 at 10:14

I dont want to see ds rendered useless.

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 19.05.2017 at 09:38

It is finally done, -1 defence to militia.

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

كتب بواسطة Evic, 21.05.2017 at 08:12

Not nerfed enough, needs more. No bonus vs militia i suppose should balance it.

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 21.05.2017 at 01:00

كتب بواسطة clovis1122, 20.05.2017 at 11:20

Shame. Now aqo and nic are gonna use it as an excuse when I beat hem the next time....

DS's niche will also get reduced. Though the strategy itself won't become useless.

Was fun while it lasted.

Annnnd you just lost another duel turk vs ds ukr.

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 21.05.2017 at 07:13

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

If you want to be real ds was pretty meh before the change. I personally only ever used it vs weaker opponents. Due to its' niche nature and lack of popularity people generally didn't know how to handle it.

Go find a setting where it is now really difficult to beat in its current form. Then we will talk.

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 21.05.2017 at 06:19

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 30.03.2017 at 10:14

I dont want to see ds rendered useless.

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

That would completely ruin the strategy....
Do you not think -2 defence to milita isnt dramatic?

I have tested it and with the -2 i really cant utilize milita for defending anymore,the only thing you can do is use them for cheap expansion where their pd range gives them more options for taking neutrals and walling,i bet most people will argue about ds still being op after this nerf due to losing to it..its not the strat its the player.

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 21.05.2017 at 14:07

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 21.05.2017 at 06:19

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 30.03.2017 at 10:14

I dont want to see ds rendered useless.

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

That would completely ruin the strategy....
Do you not think -2 defence to milita isnt dramatic?

I have tested it and with the -2 i really cant utilize milita for defending anymore,the only thing you can do is use them for cheap expansion where their pd range gives them more options for taking neutrals and walling,i bet most people will argue about ds still being op after this nerf due to losing to it..its not the strat its the player.

ur arguments are slightly biased mr.ionlyusedsnomatterwhat

im not saying its op still due to me losing to it, quite frankly DS was beatable even when it was pre-nerf. All im saying is taking away just 1 attack from DS helis would probably bring the strategy back to normalcy. I mean lets be real.. i was GC and had a stack of 6inf and gen that lose to 3 helis... come one now, tell me that should be ok lol

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 21.05.2017 at 14:43

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 21.05.2017 at 14:07

كتب بواسطة 4nic, 21.05.2017 at 06:19

كتب بواسطة Sultan of Swing, 20.05.2017 at 22:34

كتب بواسطة Permamuted, 30.03.2017 at 10:14

I dont want to see ds rendered useless.

well I for one do D

All joking aside however, I think the new nerf has worked well thus far, but I do think that the helis are still quite OP. Let's not forget how crazy we all thought it was back when they gave helis that +1 defense (5 defense as it is now). That was enough to make DS a viable strategy. Then it got another attacking boost, and then the militia defense and range..

Did it make it useable as Germany, Turkey, and UK? Yes, and I have had loads of fun with it. But let's be real.. DS is op, and I would like it to go back to the way that it was back when it was just the 5 defense boost to helis, and militia had no range boost. People still used it, and it was viable as ukr, but it was a fair and even match that required skill to still win, and not just autistically moving around stacks from one place to another (to quote learster for all who remember).

I guess what I'm saying is that the nerf is a positive step in the right direction, but going with WD's idea, or giving militia their normal move range I think would be the final touch to bring DS back to "normalcy" and #MakeAWGreatAgain

That would completely ruin the strategy....
Do you not think -2 defence to milita isnt dramatic?

I have tested it and with the -2 i really cant utilize milita for defending anymore,the only thing you can do is use them for cheap expansion where their pd range gives them more options for taking neutrals and walling,i bet most people will argue about ds still being op after this nerf due to losing to it..its not the strat its the player.

ur arguments are slightly biased mr.ionlyusedsnomatterwhat

im not saying its op still due to me losing to it, quite frankly DS was beatable even when it was pre-nerf. All im saying is taking away just 1 attack from DS helis would probably bring the strategy back to normalcy. I mean lets be real.. i was GC and had a stack of 6inf and gen that lose to 3 helis... come one now, tell me that should be ok lol

that's what helis are supposed to do,kill infantry its the whole idea of it