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نشرت بواسطة Aetius, 22.08.2016 - 10:29
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Ok I am officially ending the game, sorry that there will be no Grand Finale. None of the Triumvirs except Sertorius wanted civil war. However, the other two guys got absurdly angry at me. One has even blocked me, and imo has begun to take this game way too personally. I don't want to lose friends over a forum game, this is literally the only reason why I am now stopping. Also, a good lesson as to why you keep IC and OOC separate. ....Although in a way I see it as a success I got people to be this emotionally invested in a forum game

gg all, let us now remember the great legends of the roman families

Triumvir Families - these 3 have reached the apex of power, although shared
Gens Sertorii
The Sertorii are an old and powerful family that has been influential in politics and later on in war against the Numidians, Parthians and were regarded as superior naval commanders. They have had 6 consulships, numerous prosecutions, and were always a controlling force behind the populares movement. In the late republic Flavius became the most influential, and arguably strongest of the 3 triumvirs as ruler of the west.

Gens Maria
The Marians are a very old family that was highly regarded for their religious positions. Over the course of roman history they have held a stunning 7 consulships and 1 dictatorship. Much of marian history has been military oriented, known for defeating the Seleucids at Magnesia in early times. In the mid republic they were leaders of the populare movement but were assassinated when political tensions rose, temporarily weakening the family allowing the Sertorii to take control of the party. Later, the ambitious Gaius Marius Maximus became the youngest ever dictator defeating the Socii revolt, and after defeating the massive pontic forces in Greece declared the revolt against the corrupt senate with the aid of Sertori and and Rexians. After Quintus Sertorius died however the rivalry between his son Flavius and Gaius Marius Maximus became more pronounced as they were the two ambitious leaders of the populares and resented each other.

Gens Rexii
The Rexii have consistently been a presence in roman politics, having held 6 consulships and countless other positions. The Rexii are regarded as extremely skilled politicians having risen from former disgrace to great influence and wealth as a founding member of the populares. The Rexii do have a reputation of being greedy, yet their wealth bought them power that can now no longer be denied as rulers of the eastern provinces.


Winning Families- these families picked the right side and successfully navigated the roman game of thrones to high positions of power

Gens Flavii
Of all the families in Rome, the Flavii are the most well regarded among wealthy equites. Long ago this was not the case, but following the downfall of the Numetorii, the Flavii inherited much of the wealth of the Ripam Alexandrie and begun their own steady rise to 2 consulships and numerous censorships and praetorships. Aligning with the populares the Flavii became the political centerpiece of the movement as they secured such influence among the equite class that their power in the senate became overwhelming. Ever after they were given the surname of Cato, meaning wise. And wise they have been, supporting the right side becoming rich and powerful.

Gens Nipii
The Nipii emerged from obscurity in the punic wars, being used as master of horse for less competent dictators. However, in the end they secured their own command becoming heroes of the republic after defeating Hannibal at Cannae. This fame was long lasting but in the mid republic their fortunes began to dwindle as legions loyal to the Nipii were destroyed in the numerous wars. A founding member of the populares, the Nipii have been loyal partisans and this has kept them from sinking lower. Decius began to reverse these fortunes as being part of the battle of Rome and then following Sertorius into the west becoming his heir. The Nipii may rise once again…

Gens Octavii
A wealthy and influential political family, the Octavii were strong allies of the sertorii, and they aided each other's rise. The Octavii had numerous connections throughout the city of Rome among the equites, and were commonly the Praetor, but also have secured Consulship twice in history as well as governorships in cisalpine gaul. The Octavii carefully maneuvered the dangerous political battlefield, never have been assassinated, always working from within the shadows to emerge on top.

Gens Marcii
The family history of the Marcii is a winding but tragic one as well. Over the course of history they have influential, holding 4 consulships and their most famous moment was commanding the sack of Carthage, however Africanus fell to a plague and was later utterly disgraced by being implicated in treasonous plot with the Antonines. Rising from this misfortune they switched parties to the Populares and became a decisive element in the civil war by granting support in return for rule over the Asian provinces. But once again, the head of the family died, this time in battle, reducing the family to mediocrity.

Gens Paulli
The Paulli are a notoriously wealthy but also greedy roman family. They rose to power after falling out with Potestatem party by making deals with the Populares to rule wealthy provinces as long as they turned a blind eye to their corruption. Amassing huge sums, the Paulli were never in Rome for most of their history. But this is not to say they are without merit, for they helped bring roman civilization to cisalpine gaul, and were large bankrollers of the populare movement. In the civil war they grew more ambitious seeking military commands as admirals and growing closer to the Sertorian faction.

At least I am still part of the wealthy 1% Tier
Gens Numetorii
A once more powerful family in the early republic and leader of the notable third party, ripam alexandrie, the untimely death of the head of the family ended this movement. Later on, the Numetorii aligned themselves with Potestatem, but their high status was degraded by being on the losing side of the civil war. The Numetorii have held 4 Consulships, numerous other political positions and were known as saviors of Rome from the Germans and victors against the notorious Viriathus in their brightest moment.

Gens Caetronii
The Caetronii have always been defenders of the roman state, military leaders, above political factionalism. Over the course of history they have held 5 consulships and 1 dictatorship. The Caetronii were known as victors over gauls in early times, but were most influential in the mid republic reaching an apex under Lucius who defeated the Spanish revolts as well as the pirates, guiding Rome through a turbulent political time as a neutral player. In the late republic their fortunes fell as Lucius grew old and his heirs could not defend the republic from the populares. Even so, the Caetronii are a continuing strong presence in the roman state.


At least I am not dead Tier
Gens Cornelli Scipiones
An old and active family, their fortunes rose to supreme heights in the early republic as conquers of Illyria and climaxed with their 1 consulship. Later though they were politically destroyed by the Populares and then fell into obscurity, and when Gnaeus began to rise he was struck down by plague. In the late republic Metellus was known as the most stalwart defender of the senate and fought until the last at Africa.

Gens Varii
From plebian origins, the Varii rose from the lower classes to the senate with the support of the Potestatem party (by giving them huge sums of money). The Varii reached their apex in a consulship with the Numetorii, after defeating a huge german horde in pannonia. After this moment of glory they began to fade as their wealth dried up and the Potestatem lost political power. After the battle of rome they surrendered to the populares but despite this were still executed due to hatred against them from the Marians. Even so, the Varii have not been utterly destroyed as the family still lives on as their recent son has been spared by the now more merciful populare senate due to the passage of time.

Gens Pedii
Plebians like the Varii, the Pedii rose to political relevance in a dangerous political era. With civil war imminent, they were thrust into hard decisions. A marriage alliance almost occurred with the Rexii potentially earning the favor of the populares but this ultimately broken down and the Pedii backed the Senate to their ultimate doom. Despite donating their entire fortune to the senatorial cause, this was not enough as the senatorial forces failed three times in battle. Escaping from the populare onslaught as governer of narbonese Gaul, the Pedii were finally captured after the Senatorial defeat in Africa and exiled.

Losers - families fallen from power, or traitors, or extinct
Gens Antonia, Gens Phoenicii, Gens Maximii , other people who have dropped out

20.09.2016 - 23:42


We've had nothing like this dictator vote just wanted to show what is happening. What I want to know, is how high you are willing to bribe? no take backsies

I officially bid 7 talents to counter bribe, up to 26 talents to counter any new bribes you attempt, will you increase yours?
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21.09.2016 - 00:03
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 20.09.2016 at 23:42



We've had nothing like this dictator vote just wanted to show what is happening. What I want to know, is how high you are willing to bribe? no take backsies

I officially bid 7 talents to counter bribe, will you increase yours?

Well now we know that Potestatem bank has approximately 40-50 Talents, maybe more

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21.09.2016 - 02:08
Dictator Vote
3)Nay

Consul Vote
1) Tiberius Octavius (vale) & Cassius Caelius (Safari)

Censor Vote
2)Sextus Varius (Meester)

Praetor Vote
2)Augustus Damasippus (Resting Lime)

Who will command the Social War?
1)Publius Numertorius (JF) [Potestatem]

Who will command the 2nd Roman-Syrian War ?
1)Consul Sextus Varius (Meester) [Potestatem]

Who will command the African Revolt ?
1)Consul Valens Phoenicus (Phoenix)

Who will command the Greek Revolt ?
1)Lucius Caetronianus (MrArmy987)

Governor of Africa (if retaken) (winner may reject this)
2)Nay

Governor of Cisalpine Gaul(winner may reject this)
1)Sextus Varius (Meester)

Governor of Nearer Spain(winner may reject this)
1)Marco Flavius Cato Minor (Witch-Doctor)

Levying of Forces
1) 10 Fleets and 4 legion

Force Deployments
2) 7 fleets and 6 legions to Greece, 7 Fleets and 5 legions to Africa, 4 Fleets and 4 veteran legions to Syria, 4 Veteran legions and remaining new legions to fight Social war.

Trial of Quintus Sertorius
2)Gulity

I use the tribune I already have to veto dictator vote

I reject Governor ship of africa.
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21.09.2016 - 04:11
Calamity always befalls Rome when a Scipio is not around
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21.09.2016 - 05:03
Idiot Potestatem vetoing dictator vote. Gg Rome is going to fall because of their stupidity
They nominate Mr Amy, and vote Nay
Aetius time to play mob incited violence card

Edit: Can someone (Populares) use a Tribune to veto someone else's (Potestatem) veto?
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21.09.2016 - 05:10
كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:03

Idiot Potestatem vetoing dictator vote. Gg Rome is going to fall because of their stupidity
They nominate Mr Amy, and vote Nay
Aetius time to play mob incited violence card

Edit: Can someone (Populares) use a Tribune to veto someone else's (Potestatem) veto?


Tribunes can't be used in elections, Potestatem's Tribune doesn't even work because of that
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21.09.2016 - 05:26
Actually as Pontifex Maximus I could veto 1 proposal in the senate phase and if I am not mistaken consuls can veto 1 proposal in the senate phase as well. Could Aetius clarify how this works? Cause I might even consider vetoing the proposal myself.
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21.09.2016 - 05:28
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 22.08.2016 at 10:29

"Now, the Senate shall vote on the proposals of the Consuls. Tribunes speak now or forever hold your peace!"


Veto can be used on anything after this line
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21.09.2016 - 05:29
كتب بواسطة Meester, 21.09.2016 at 05:26

Actually as Pontifex Maximus I could veto 1 proposal in the senate phase and if I am not mistaken consuls can veto 1 proposal in the senate phase as well. Could Aetius clarify how this works? Cause I might even consider vetoing the proposal myself.

The Consuls (both of them Potestatem) have fucking proposed this shit, and now you want to veto it? Consuls can't veto a Tribune nomination, Idk about Pontifex. Besides you all voted Nay instead of Mr Army, so idk what you gain by vetoing Pyrrhus. Mr Army has been dictator enough. Give Pyrrhus a chance.
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21.09.2016 - 05:43
كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:29




To be fair, Potestatem does not see the need for a dictator, especially one from an opposing faction that has installed a corrupt governor in our richest province(who let's face it won't be sending anything back to Rome), declared another corrupt governor innocent of his crimes, bribed vote in the past and voted/voting for outright mundane choice for commanders of wars, all while Rome itself is at the brink of collapse.

The only reason we even proposed MrArmy to dictator was to give the senate a second choice, a better choice seeing as he is as neutral as can be at the moment. However, seeing as Populares would rather go for their own choice we will do whatever necessary to block the vote.

P.S. Pheonix is far from a Potestatem the only reason he is voting along our lines is because you guys are running away with the game.
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21.09.2016 - 05:55
كتب بواسطة Meester, 21.09.2016 at 05:43

كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:29



To be fair, Potestatem does not see the need for a dictator, especially one from an opposing faction that has installed a corrupt governor in our richest province(who let's face it won't be sending anything back to Rome), declared another corrupt governor innocent of his crimes, barbied vote in the past and voted/voting for outright mundane choice for commanders of wars, all while Rome itself is at the brink of collapse.

The only reason we even proposed MrArmy to dictator was to give the senate a second choice, a better choice seeing as he is as neutral as can be at the moment. However, seeing as Populares would rather go for their own choice we will whatever necessary to block the vote.

P.S. Pheonix is far from a Potestatem the only reason he is voting along our lines is because you guys are running away with the game.

Which is why you banned Pavle's all account too?
The collection of funds to go to Rome are based on a dice roll. Another dice roll, helps decide personal income, and yet another decides corrupt income.
We have 5 active wars, we need to defeat at least two. Dictator is needed. So block the vote by electing Mr Army as Dictator, not by saying no Rome needs a dictator. We're willing to accept Mr Army, but that doesn't mean we won't try our best to get a candidate of our choice elected. That's politics. This game is politics. Not cooperation.
Phoenix is voting with you guys, and countering us. His name is in your faction list. As far as we're concerned, he's Potestatem. Also, what does Phoenix have to do with this? Never mentioned him.
Ban Pavle from all other sub-forums except the 'Forum Games' one so he can play the game.
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21.09.2016 - 06:06
كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:55

Which is why you banned Pavle's all account too?


Pavle is banned, whether you like it or not. If Aetius allows I don't see an issue with you voting him. The only reason Pavle's alternate was allowed to hang around for so long was because the case on avoiding ban with an alternate was being internally discussed again, and guess what, we decided the status quo was just fine, thus the alternate got banned.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:55

We have 5 active wars, we need to defeat at least two. Dictator is needed. So block the vote by electing Mr Army as Dictator, not by saying no Rome needs a dictator. We're willing to accept Mr Army, but that doesn't mean we won't try our best to get a candidate of our choice elected. That's politics. This game is politics. Not cooperation.


Well vote MrArmy and we would be more than happy to change our vote as well. It's funny that you would say the game is about politics but proceed to think blocking a vote or voting against your vote in the interest of winning yourself is not politics.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:55

Phoenix is voting with you guys, and countering us. His name is in your faction list. As far as we're concerned, he's Potestatem. Also, what does Phoenix have to do with this? Never mentioned him.


Am I missing something? You did in fact mention Pheonix right here http://prntscr.com/ckkyi1
And as far I can see Pheonix is not in our faction list, take a look http://prntscr.com/ckkytn
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21.09.2016 - 06:28
كتب بواسطة Meester, 21.09.2016 at 06:06

Well vote MrArmy and we would be more than happy to change our vote as well. It's funny that you would say the game is about politics but proceed to think blocking a vote or voting against your vote in the interest of winning yourself is not politics.

Oh I never said you couldn't block our vote. I'm protesting against you guys voting no for a dictator, when we need one.

The part about Phoenix is my bad.
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21.09.2016 - 07:20
كتب بواسطة Safari, 21.09.2016 at 02:08

I use the tribune I already have to veto dictator vote

Hue read the last paragraph


Edit: Just 3 more people have to vote, come on guys.
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21.09.2016 - 11:00
==Turn 17: Phase 3 has begun==
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21.09.2016 - 11:11
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21.09.2016 - 11:43
Hold up... Worked all day again. Why do you get your money back? They count as votes and why doesn't safaris tribune work as veto like before?

Either way I vote nay for dictator
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21.09.2016 - 11:45
كتب بواسطة Pyrrhus, 21.09.2016 at 05:10

كتب بواسطة Darth., 21.09.2016 at 05:03

Idiot Potestatem vetoing dictator vote. Gg Rome is going to fall because of their stupidity
They nominate Mr Amy, and vote Nay
Aetius time to play mob incited violence card

Edit: Can someone (Populares) use a Tribune to veto someone else's (Potestatem) veto?


Tribunes can't be used in elections, Potestatem's Tribune doesn't even work because of that



Tribunes were used to veto and influence dictatorships before, why not now?
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21.09.2016 - 12:00
Can't veto elections (those are an internal matter of the senate and the state would break down, like imagine if you could veto the consulship), only proposals/laws/trials can be vetoed. Tribunes can be used to nominate anything though. Also is far too late for you to vote I even extended deadline for you. Should have included your votes when you pm me the ballot if you knew you would be busy.


Also can you limit pavle to this subforum so he can play still
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21.09.2016 - 12:33
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 21.09.2016 at 12:00

Can't veto elections (those are an internal matter of the senate and the state would break down, like imagine if you could veto the consulship), only proposals/laws/trials can be vetoed. Tribunes can be used to nominate anything though. Also is far too late for you to vote I even extended deadline for you. Should have included your votes when you pm me the ballot if you knew you would be busy.


Also can you limit pavle to this subforum so he can play still


If you can use a tribune to nominate a dictator, you can use a tribune to veto a dictatorship...
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21.09.2016 - 12:35
Spending all my sheckels on nay too
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21.09.2016 - 12:38
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 21.09.2016 at 12:00

Can't veto elections (those are an internal matter of the senate and the state would break down, like imagine if you could veto the consulship), only proposals/laws/trials can be vetoed. Tribunes can be used to nominate anything though. Also is far too late for you to vote I even extended deadline for you. Should have included your votes when you pm me the ballot if you knew you would be busy.


Also can you limit pavle to this subforum so he can play still


I said yesterday I need until 7pm GMT to do stuff, and I wasn't aware about all these bought votes until now. Meester is right the reason I'm alligning with them and remaining neutral is because you're running away with the game, you might aswell end it now if we cant use tribunes to veto stuff

Edit: Please read above, I have 5 shekels left, I'm spending them on a nay for dictator

And if that actually works ( I have no idea how deep your pockets are at this stage) I'm voting for Syria 1
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21.09.2016 - 12:46
Please vote on time, or join a faction so you can get your vote counted if you are afk (price of being a "neutral" is you have to look out for your own affairs). The voting is over.
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21.09.2016 - 13:28
I am alive, yay
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21.09.2016 - 15:12
Aetius you didn't make these rules very clear.. We can use tribunes to nominate anything but cant use tribunes to veto anything.. Consulships I understand but dictatorships are optional.

Edit: You also kicked up a fuss about how no one understands how to use tribunes... We tried to use one and now you're telling us we can't because of a rule that wasn't clarified...
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21.09.2016 - 20:10
Aetius just post that pic of a Tribune card I had. Phoenix ignores me, so he can't see my messages.

Edit: This one
http://www.amarriner.com/ror/cards/tribune2.png
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21.09.2016 - 20:23
Eh..don't reference the cards, they do things differently because its not forum based. Just read intrige part of rules.

Anyway all battles have been rolled will update in a few hours
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22.09.2016 - 00:31
==Turn 18: Phase 1 has begun==
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22.09.2016 - 01:01
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 21.09.2016 at 12:46

Please vote on time, or join a faction so you can get your vote counted if you are afk (price of being a "neutral" is you have to look out for your own affairs). The voting is over.


What the fuck is an evocati? More that shit that I don't see described in the rules
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22.09.2016 - 01:02
كتب بواسطة Aetius, 21.09.2016 at 20:23

Eh..don't reference the cards, they do things differently because its not forum based. Just read intrige part of rules.

Anyway all battles have been rolled will update in a few hours



Ibwas refering to the intrigue part of rules.. Its not described there
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