Nerf PD by -2 defense

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:42

You see, the difference between my proposal and lao's proposal is that i want the bug to remain fixed and start rebalancing strats again, while lao wants the "bug" to be re-implemented.

Well in this case, reverting the changes doesn't simply mean clicking the undo button. Also in your title you've only mentioned PD, when infact ALL strats are affected by this. So currently just changing PD won't balance anything. I suggest you just close this topic since mods are already poking the admins.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:39

btw pd has +1 compared to other strats, in cities.

Nerf PD and you will be in a situation in which all non-PD strats are better at defense now (but still not stronger than PD)

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:54

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:39

btw pd has +1 compared to other strats, in cities.

Nerf PD and you will be in a situation in which all non-PD strats are better at defense now (but still not stronger than PD)

yeah so -2 actually makes it weaker than other strats in defense.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:59

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:54

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:39

btw pd has +1 compared to other strats, in cities.

Nerf PD and you will be in a situation in which all non-PD strats are better at defense now (but still not stronger than PD)

yeah so -2 actually makes it weaker than other strats in defense.

For most it will be the same defense when they are inside a city, but PD still has cheaper infantry and +1 defense when fighting tanks.
If we nerf PD with -2 Defense, the following strats are the only ones that have infantry that are equal to PD (the rest have attack/defense penalties):

Naval Commander
Master Of Stealth
Iron Fist
Lucky Bastard

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 13:11

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:59

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:54

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:39

btw pd has +1 compared to other strats, in cities.

Nerf PD and you will be in a situation in which all non-PD strats are better at defense now (but still not stronger than PD)

yeah so -2 actually makes it weaker than other strats in defense.

For most it will be the same defense when they are inside a city, but PD still has cheaper infantry and +1 defense when fighting tanks.
If we nerf PD with -2 Defense, the following strats are the only ones that have infantry that are equal to PD (the rest have attack/defense penalties):

Naval Commander
Master Of Stealth
Iron Fist
Lucky Bastard

so you want perfect defnse to have the same defense as those strats.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 12:49

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:42

You see, the difference between my proposal and lao's proposal is that i want the bug to remain fixed and start rebalancing strats again, while lao wants the "bug" to be re-implemented.

Well in this case, reverting the changes doesn't simply mean clicking the undo button. Also in your title you've only mentioned PD, when infact ALL strats are affected by this. So currently just changing PD won't balance anything. I suggest you just close this topic since mods are already poking the admins.

incase you didn't see.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 13:16

incase you didn't see.

I did see it, but it didn't add anything of value to the conversation. I will reply out of courtesy

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 13:16

Well in this case, reverting the changes doesn't simply mean clicking the undo button.

Of course not, Amok has to click 2 !!!

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 13:16

Also in your title you've only mentioned PD, when infact ALL strats are affected by this

I only proposed a nerf for PD, there is no need to add all other strats.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 13:16

So currently just changing PD won't balance anything.

It will, at least to some degree

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 13:16

I suggest you just close this topic since mods are already poking the admins.

Oh sorry, i forgot mods are the only people in atwar that can have an opinion.

Tunder pls only nerf it by 1 not 2

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 13:24

I did see it, but it didn't add anything of value to the conversation. I will reply out of courtesy
Of course not, Amok has to click 2 !!!

Of course it added value to the convo we had, because there's no point to this thread. Also Amok has to click "2"? does clicking 2 make magical things happen? wowe mang.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 13:24

I only proposed a nerf for PD, there is no need to add all other strats.

Of course there is. You realize, that this defense buff adds changes to all strats using infs for main defense, since they already have +1 in cities with None strat enabled. Heck, do you even know that NEUTRALS are a little more op with this recent change.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 13:24

It will, at least to some degree

As I said above, all strats are affected by this buff. When was the last time you even played a 3v3? or a CW? or a Duel?

That's right, about 3 months ago, seems like you don't know much buddy.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 13:24

Oh sorry, i forgot mods are the only people in atwar that can have an opinion.

Hey I didn't say that. I said mods are dealing with the situation HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE. They want it to be how it was before, when everything was somewhat balanced and PD didn't need to oh-so-needed -2 defense that you are preaching. Anyone with a brain and can read the forums will know that there are problems with what Amok currently "fixed". Anyone can have an opinion, but I'm just finding this ridiculous.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:21

Of course there is. You realize, that this defense buff adds changes to all strats using infs for main defense, since they already have +1 in cities with None strat enabled. Heck, do you even know that NEUTRALS are a little more op with this recent change.

of course i know that, but the neutral bonus can't be fixed by a nerf, and i am aware of the bonus that all infantry got (which i support because RA was op)

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:21

As I said above, all strats are affected by this buff. When was the last time you even played a 3v3? or a CW? or a Duel?

That's right, about 3 months ago, seems like you don't know much buddy.

that is irrelevant, a lot of competitive players stop playing and still have valid opinions about competitive subjects
(i am by no means claiming to be a pro, but i am not some random RP noob ;p)

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:21

Hey I didn't say that. I said mods are dealing with the situation HOW YOU WANT IT TO BE. They want it to be how it was before, when everything was somewhat balanced and PD didn't need to oh-so-needed -2 defense that you are preaching. Anyone with a brain and can read the forums will know that there are problems with what Amok currently "fixed". Anyone can have an opinion, but I'm just finding this ridiculous.

I already changed my mind about the -2 defense, i like Tacts idea more:

كتب بواسطة The Tactician, 08.09.2015 at 12:16

How about we tweak RA (the change that was gonna come out b4 all this drama), remove inf defense in cities completely (except for GW militia [possibly GC inf or mos marines??]), and then don't change anything unless needed.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 16:31

of course i know that, but the neutral bonus can't be fixed by a nerf, and i am aware of the bonus that all infantry got (which i support because RA was op)

Hmm, cool... interesting...

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 16:31

I already changed my mind about the -2 defense, i like Tacts idea more:

كتب بواسطة The Tactician, 08.09.2015 at 12:16

How about we tweak RA (the change that was gonna come out b4 all this drama), remove inf defense in cities completely (except for GW militia [possibly GC inf or mos marines??]), and then don't change anything unless needed.

WELL THEN. We seem to change minds easily, don't we. Well I should tell you that you just contradicted yourself. And, well, you're probably clueless now.

You stated that neutral bonus can't be fixed, well it wasn't there before... so obviously you can. The power of codings is more than you think.

>aware of bonus that all infantry got(which I support..)
Err okay, but..

>[Tact] remove inf defense in cities completely.

Are you out of your mind? Am I being trolled? Or are you just being somewhat stupid.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:42

WELL THEN. We seem to change minds easily, don't we. Well I should tell you that you just contradicted yourself. And, well, you're probably clueless now.

I could have easily entrenched my self on the -2 defense idea.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:42

You stated that neutral bonus can't be fixed, well it wasn't there before... so obviously you can. The power of codings is more than you think.

Of course amok can code a exception into neutral infantry (but that is not a nerf, its coding), a nerf to PD infantry is more practical.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:42

>aware of bonus that all infantry got(which I support..)
Are you out of your mind? Am I being trolled? Or are you just being somewhat stupid.

buddy, there is multiple ways to solve a problem, removing the infantry bonus to all but militia is one of them, -2 defense to PD is also another

Before:

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 12:36

I am not going to waste my time writing a proper argument, most of the people in the forum are retarded and would not change their minds even if i provided them with the best argument in the world.

Now:

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 16:31

I already changed my mind about the -2 defense, i like Tacts idea more:

كتب بواسطة The Tactician, 08.09.2015 at 12:16

How about we tweak RA (the change that was gonna come out b4 all this drama), remove inf defense in cities completely (except for GW militia [possibly GC inf or mos marines??]), and then don't change anything unless needed.

But?

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 19:48

I could have easily entrenched my self on the -2 defense idea.

I see some contradictions.

>say neutral bonus cannot be fixed
>i tell him how amok can easily fix
>of course amok can code an exception (but that's not a nerf, that's coding)

Mate, the game is coded. All the nerfs, are through changing numbers in the CODE.

>one way of solving problem is removing infantry bonus to all, or remove -2 def to PD
>he already changed his mind about -2 to pd
>remove -2 def to pd
>to pd
>bonus to all
>pd

This just tells me you don't understand the game right now. Play with PD, play against it. Cry to me about your rolls against PD, then we can agree on something.

Please nerf pd like it was before.

I didn't ss battle report but today I rush enemy cap with 25inf + 2 mil + 1 gen & my ally gw helped with 15 marines VS 19inf+gen of my enemy, and he won by 3-4 inf....

كتب بواسطة AlBoZzZ, 08.09.2015 at 21:29

Please nerf pd like it was before.

I didn't ss battle report but today I rush enemy cap with 25inf + 2 mil + 1 gen & my ally gw helped with 15 marines VS 19inf+gen of my enemy, and he won by 3-4 inf....

Bad rolls happen, it varies quite a bit
Earlier today 25 pd inf and gen got capped by 54 inf and gen of imp i believe with 12 to spare

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 21:00

>say neutral bonus cannot be fixed

please quote me on this one, i never say it was impossible to fix them.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 21:00

>i tell him how amok can easily fix
>of course amok can code an exception (but that's not a nerf, that's coding)

Mate, the game is coded. All the nerfs, are through changing numbers in the CODE.

What do you think is easier?
change a number from "2" to "0" in the code
or to code a few lines to add an exception to neutral infantry?

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 21:00

>one way of solving problem is removing infantry bonus to all, or remove -2 def to PD
>he already changed his mind about -2 to pd
>remove -2 def to pd
>to pd
>bonus to all
>pd

This just tells me you don't understand the game right now. Play with PD, play against it. Cry to me about your rolls against PD, then we can agree on something.

I understand the game, stop making assumptions.

اقتبس:

كتب بواسطة Guest, 08.09.2015 at 16:42

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 08.09.2015 at 16:31

>[Tact] remove inf defense in cities completely.

Are you out of your mind? Am I being trolled? Or are you just being somewhat stupid.

what it will just go back to how it is before


They did it to PD, which I won't complain about. Stacking strats and defensive play is still stronger though. With this defensive boost, they may not do anything to RA, which I'm fine with.

كتب بواسطة The Tactician, 10.09.2015 at 10:52

what it will just go back to how it is before
They did it to PD, which I won't complain about. Stacking strats and defensive play is still stronger though. With this defensive boost, they may not do anything to RA, which I'm fine with.

I was responding to tunder about that lol. I just put your name cos it was from your quote, I was showing how tunder contradicted himself. I support removing the bonuses in cities and to revert changes.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 09.09.2015 at 18:07

please quote me on this one, i never say it was impossible to fix them.

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 09.09.2015 at 18:07

What do you think is easier?
change a number from "2" to "0" in the code
or to code a few lines to add an exception to neutral infantry?

Well changing the number from 2 to 0 is much easier. If we do this for neutral infs (1 to 0) then this is giving an exception to it, as opposed to infs with other strats that have bonuses in cities(PD)

كتب بواسطة Tundy, 09.09.2015 at 18:07

I understand the game, stop making assumptions.

Other people thought the same, then they fought against PD and saw the insane rolls. You haven't played a game in 3 days. This change came about 5 days ago if I'm correct (don't quote me on tht) and these games you played, none were on the standard map.

So is the ridicilously overpowered PD fixed now or nah?

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 10.09.2015 at 17:09

So is the ridicilously overpowered PD fixed now or nah?

Somewhat.

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.09.2015 at 17:13

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 10.09.2015 at 17:09

So is the ridicilously overpowered PD fixed now or nah?

Somewhat.

And that means...?

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 10.09.2015 at 17:16

كتب بواسطة Guest, 10.09.2015 at 17:13

كتب بواسطة Zephyrusu, 10.09.2015 at 17:09

So is the ridicilously overpowered PD fixed now or nah?

Somewhat.

And that means...?

(click it)

The thing is, it hasn't been proposed in other threads but this. Other threads state reverting changes which means removing all bonus defense in cities (this includes all strats)

Damn just lost 60 inf on a city with 22 inf this is really bad

كتب بواسطة The Sphinx, 10.09.2015 at 21:33

Damn just lost 60 inf on a city with 22 inf this is really bad

A nice upvote to you sir. This guy understands.