Who would win in a war? India and u.s or china and paki

Real life events.... maybe the starts of ww3

U.S would obliterate china.
China's army are inexperienced with war and their equipment is getting outdated.
> Chinese tanks are becoming too small for ever taller chinese people to properly manage and they are spending billions just to refurbish them so people can fit inside.
> China's only aircraft carrier was made in ukraine and lacks a catapult
> Chinese military training consists of 40% learning about the communist ideology and not about fighting.
> USA embargo would cause so much economic unrest that factions in china will revolt.
> Chinese army/airforce/navy have yet to fully establish a joint command
> Dumb inexperienced commanders. China has yet to fight enough war to get experienced commanders. Compared to USA's history where 222 out of it's 239 years of history is at war.
> Corruption

كتب بواسطة boywind2, 30.08.2016 at 01:18

they spend so much in modern ages....

It would end up bad for all world

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.08.2016 at 22:38

U.S would obliterate china.
China's army are inexperienced with war and their equipment is getting outdated.
> Chinese tanks are becoming too small for ever taller chinese people to properly manage and they are spending billions just to refurbish them so people can fit inside.
> China's only aircraft carrier was made in ukraine and lacks a catapult
> Chinese military training consists of 40% learning about the communist ideology and not about fighting.
> USA embargo would cause so much economic unrest that factions in china will revolt.
> Chinese army/airforce/navy have yet to fully establish a joint command
> Dumb inexperienced commanders. China has yet to fight enough war to get experienced commanders. Compared to USA's history where 222 out of it's 239 years of history is at war.
> Corruption

Agreed, but I think you underestimate the power of quantity and patriotism. The Chinese would be fighting to defend their homes against a foreign invader (since they lack the capability to conduct an overseas invasion, it's the Americans who'll be on the offensive and stay that way). Chinese population centers are also all along their eastern coast facing America so retreat isn't an option. Even without conscription they can ensure they outnumber the US in any land war (though tbh only a fool gets into a land war in Asia) and the Chinese navy out numbers the US nearly thrice over (650 ships to the US 280). Granted it's just missile boats but those missiles are pretty advanced, and there are a lot of them. BTW don't even bother counting China's aircraft carrier it's the 1st one the have, and they have absolutely no experience with Carrier warfare. Meanwhile America has 19-20....

Conversely,
China is also surrounded by nations that hate it, while the US isn't. On the other hand, the Russians would rather the Chinese win over the Americans, but let's face it, they wouldn't be stupid enough to fight on two fronts (Europe with NATO and Pacific with US/Japan) with China as their ally. Chinese can't even attack American bases in Japan without the Japanese getting involved (if they weren't already).
North and South Korea will probably go to war, and North Korea will get curbstomped, launch nukes to compensate for its tiny dick, America will retaliate to defend it's ally, China will be angry at American nukes falling so close to it, completely ignoring the North Korean's actions, and it all goes to pot.

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India Vs Pakistan pls no. Only way Pakistan will win is if they get China to help in a 2 front war, which will be difficult but not impossible for India, right up until the Pakistanis run out of oil and stop fighting thanks to a blockade of Karachi (which actually happened irl). Out of 4 wars fought, Pakistan has lost all of them. Meanwhile all they have to do is contain China and knock Pakistan out of the war without losing too much territory until China either asks for a ceasefire with its reason to go to war (support Pakistan) gone, or until either the Russians or the US (both of whom are Indian allies and both of whom dislike China) get them to stop.

To all US patriots:
China isn't a shitty commie Russia puppet.It's a great op country with 4 times more population than USA and today their economy produces more money than american one.Yes their military is weaker than the USA's one but they have unlimited qualificated men.They are making a better army.
2Nd point
India and Pakistan both are poor countries without any interests for both Usa and China.India has 600 million of poor people probably even more than Africa.Pakistan is an extreme islamist country even poorer than India with Talibans and ISIS in the ground.
For USA India and Pakistan are just factories for cheap clothes and China uses Pakistan as their military base in Islamic World.
India has a much better army though but still most of tanks and artillery are outdated.
Pakistan as I said is a dangerous country and this war is very unrealistic.
3Rd point
In case this war takes place it would be similar like Syria and Iraq would be just a battlefield to show who is the stronger.
It would have millions of dead and make this poor countries even poorer and I don't want any country to suffer shitty wars which did not resolve nothing only create more poverty more suffering and more victims.

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 04:54

XA 600 million people?? Where the Fuck did you get that from? It was 276 million in 2011, and its much less today. Also no one with a sane mind will attempt a full on WW2/Vietnam/Iraq style land invasion of either India or China... Never start a land war in Asia
India's economy is 3rd largest by Purchasing Power Parity and 7th largest by nominal GDP. How the Fuck is the country as a whole poor? Granted the poverty level is moderately high, but it's in no way a developing country.
BTW the term third world country comes from the US. In the cold war, America and it's allies were the 1st world or the new world, Russia and the Warsaw pact was the old world or 2nd world, while those of the non-aligned movement who refused to be part of the 2 power blocs were the third world....
Cheap clothes? So the fact that US is the biggest importer of Indian pharmaceuticals (the 3rd largest pharmaceutical industry in the world) is irrelevant?
Indian Armed Forces are a mix of advanced and outdated equipment that is being replaced in a massive modernization program aimed at turning India from an arms importer to an arms exporter.

Your facts are ridiculously wrong.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 05:03

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 04:54

XA 600 million people?? Where the Fuck did you get that from? It was 276 million in 2011, and its much less today. Also no one with a sane mind will attempt a full on WW2/Vietnam/Iraq style land invasion of either India or China... Never start a land war in Asia
India's economy is 3rd largest by Purchasing Power Parity and 7th largest by nominal GDP. How the Fuck is the country as a whole poor? Granted the poverty level is moderately high, but it's in no way a developing country.
BTW the term third world country comes from the US. In the cold war, America and it's allies were the 1st world or the new world, Russia and the Warsaw pact was the old world or 2nd world, while those of the non-aligned movement who refused to be part of the 2 power blocs were the third world....
Cheap clothes? So the fact that US is the biggest importer of Indian pharmaceuticals (the 3rd largest pharmaceutical industry in the world) is irrelevant?
Indian Armed Forces are a mix of advanced and outdated equipment that is being replaced in a massive modernization program aimed at turning India from an arms importer to an arms exporter.

Your facts are ridiculously wrong.

Say this to habitants of Mumbai slums and the 150.000 indian farmers which commited suicide for pressure and low prices of their goods from 1990 until today..
India has 600 million of poor if you count to that 237 all the rural population. And 45% of all urban ofc.Imagine the salary ofc.

Everyone ignoring the most important element of any ww3 outbreak... Cyber warfare.
China has some pretty robust cyber warfare strategies in place and these cant be underestimated.

China has no need to attack India.. Its more likely to annex Mongolia for natural resources

Everyone here making a point about Americas military spending... What are they spending money on? Electronics... And where are most modern electric goods made? China... Think about that.

Chinese air force is at a point where it could rival the US. Ground troops mean nothing without air support. They have a cheaper version of the f16.

The fact is its too costly for any of these nations to even consider attacking the next because its easier to defend than attack.

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 05:26

Say this to habitants of Mumbai slums and the 150.000 indian farmers which commited suicide for pressure and low prices of their goods from 1990 until today..
India has 600 million of poor if you count to that 237 all the rural population. And 45% of all urban ofc.Imagine the salary ofc.

The slums of one city does not a poor country make. The farmer suicide rate has gone down greatly over the least 5 years. Dude, it's 237 million all over India in 2011 when the census was taken. 600 million is half of India's population you narb. It's nowhere close to that bad. Salaries are moderately low but not very low, and income equality is good. BTW before you start throwing around stuff like that, remember that India got Independence just 70 years ago, it is the world's fastest growing economy and all these problems come with overpopulation. China never faced it because it's pretty big. On the other hand this picture shows one of the smaller Indian states having a population nearly equal to that of Brazil and greater than Pakistan....



I'd say the government is doing a pretty good job with these sort of problems.

Tl;Dr India could be better, and its becoming better, but it's not bad.

كتب بواسطة Witch-Doctor, 29.08.2016 at 22:38

U.S would obliterate china.
China's army are inexperienced with war and their equipment is getting outdated.
> Chinese tanks are becoming too small for ever taller chinese people to properly manage and they are spending billions just to refurbish them so people can fit inside.
> China's only aircraft carrier was made in ukraine and lacks a catapult
> Chinese military training consists of 40% learning about the communist ideology and not about fighting.
> USA embargo would cause so much economic unrest that factions in china will revolt.
> Chinese army/airforce/navy have yet to fully establish a joint command
> Dumb inexperienced commanders. China has yet to fight enough war to get experienced commanders. Compared to USA's history where 222 out of it's 239 years of history is at war.
> Corruption

So wrong...

>USA cannot afford casualties, it will lose civilian support just like in the Vietnam War
>USA can only fight wars like Iraq or Serbia with 20 allies and aerial bombing to destroy 90% of the country before sending ground troops in (so they don't die)
>War with China mean USA will have to send troops after bombing which mean there will be casualties.
>During Iraqi War USA lost 150 soldiers and barely maintained support, clear indication USA is not capable fighting different kind of war
>China is used to casualties and long wars due to their recent history and history overall which span 4000 years
>Corruption in China is not as serious like in American military due to large sums of money being allocated to general pockets and corporation CEOs from Defense budget. The very thing they created laws to allow $600bil. spending when only $200bil. is needed is clear indication of large-scale corruption
>China is used to famines, sleeping on rocks, on the open sky, used to season changes and exhaustion, Americans are not used to that and need food, bunks, tents, rest and clothes for every type of climate. Which mean Chinese are more capable and efficient in war as they don't require things others used to it
>China is united in war due to the reason every war for them is decisive while USA is split into factions pulling the nation on all sides of the compass

USA can't land in China to fight and neither China can land in North America, yet. Worst they can do is to destroy each other navies and half of their air force.

And Pakistan-Indian War will be indecisive because India have power to push into Pakistan, but not enough strength to defeat them. They will have to retreat and call for peace treaty.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 04:50

North and South Korea will probably go to war, and North Korea will get curbstomped, launch nukes to compensate for its tiny dick, America will retaliate to defend it's ally

Lol had to reply to this.

People underestimate Korean People's Army, 5 years of training and 5 million reserves WITH 5 years training experience. South Korea stand no chance against North Korea just like 60 years ago in Korean War when North Korea captured 95% of South Korean territory before US interfered.

>South Korea have 2 years conscription, North Korea have 5
>South Korea have 10 million reserves, North Korea have 5 mil. + auxilliary like women and militia
>South Korea have sligthly more modern equipment but since North Korea's Soviet old technology was 20 years ahead of US, that mean now after 20 years it is on-par with US modern technology supplied to the South Korea
>South Korea is way more richer than North Korea but since DPRK is communist cashless society, money means nothing and can't be compared, beside that cannot affect the war in their case
>If they go to war, South Korea will fight fiercely but lose with both sides creating large casualties, and then when North Korea start capturing territory, only way for SK to survive is for US to land with 500,000-1 million troops
>And we hope South Korea won't genocide million of its own people due to alleged communist sympathizers again like Bodo Massacre...


People today fail to realize that Capitalist countries focus on economy and less on military while Communist countries did and do still focus on military and technology and Soviet-copied military style make their armies more efficient and stronger.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 06:35

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 05:26

Say this to habitants of Mumbai slums and the 150.000 indian farmers which commited suicide for pressure and low prices of their goods from 1990 until today..
India has 600 million of poor if you count to that 237 all the rural population. And 45% of all urban ofc.Imagine the salary ofc.

The slums of one city does not a poor country make. The farmer suicide rate has gone down greatly over the least 5 years. Dude, it's 237 million all over India in 2011 when the census was taken. 600 million is half of India's population you narb. It's nowhere close to that bad. Salaries are moderately low but not very low, and income equality is good. BTW before you start throwing around stuff like that, remember that India got Independence just 70 years ago, it is the world's fastest growing economy and all these problems come with overpopulation. China never faced it because it's pretty big. On the other hand this picture shows one of the smaller Indian states having a population nearly equal to that of Brazil and greater than Pakistan....



I'd say the government is doing a pretty good job with these sort of problems.

Tl;Dr India could be better, and its becoming better, but it's not bad.

Dharavi, Mumbai is the biggest asian slum and probably one of the biggest in the world. There is no middle class in India only extreme rich and extreme poor.The guy who use his patriotism to demonstrate the country which is like Africa is a great one doesn't see the things with the enough independence.
As Africa India has rich very rich parts like Bombay coast which is similar to downtown Luanda or Addis Ababa.Rural population is very poor as African does.Most of cities are composed of slums and few rich districts same as Africa.
You can't compare India with China both are developing countries or Brazil
Brazil has a middle class and has rural population working on a big farms and big factories.Now its facing crisis but it's still ages better than any country like Bangladesh India or Pakistan.
China went from poor farmer country to a superpower with middle classes and became a world factory.
While India has billionaires building rich skyscraper houses like the Mumbai's one and most of people living with 1.5$ and 2$.
Pharmaceutical industry lmao.Indian vaccines in Ukraine and Russia were sold and killed several people.
Few pharmaceutical companies are great.
India has a great growth but it's useless the rich and the government get 99% of all the money.
India isn't the exception.Indonesia Pakistan Bangladesh Nepal Myanmar Sri Lanka Most of Central Asia suffers the same situation in Asia

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 30.08.2016 at 07:09

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 04:50

North and South Korea will probably go to war, and North Korea will get curbstomped, launch nukes to compensate for its tiny dick, America will retaliate to defend it's ally

Lol had to reply to this.

People underestimate Korean People's Army, 5 years of training and 5 million reserves WITH 5 years training experience. South Korea stand no chance against North Korea just like 60 years ago in Korean War when North Korea captured 95% of South Korean territory before US interfered.

>South Korea have 2 years conscription, North Korea have 5
>South Korea have 10 million reserves, North Korea have 5 mil. + auxilliary like women and militia
>South Korea have sligthly more modern equipment but since North Korea's Soviet old technology was 20 years ahead of US, that mean now after 20 years it is on-par with US modern technology supplied to the South Korea
>South Korea is way more richer than North Korea but since DPRK is communist cashless society, money means nothing and can't be compared, beside that cannot affect the war in their case


People today fail to realize that Capitalist countries focus on economy and less on military while Communist countries did and do still focus on military and technology and Soviet-copied military style make their armies more efficient and stronger.

Perhaps, but i also meant that Japan wouldn't sit back and let North Korea invade South Korea ad neither would the US or Taiwan (probably). North Korea is generally unliked by everyone, even their 'allies' the Chinese who keep them around because they're good for manipulating into pissing off America and the west which is always a bonus
Meanwhile, South Korea is that loveable brother-from-another-mother who has an evil twin.

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 30.08.2016 at 07:09

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 04:50

North and South Korea will probably go to war, and North Korea will get curbstomped, launch nukes to compensate for its tiny dick, America will retaliate to defend it's ally

Lol had to reply to this.

People underestimate Korean People's Army, 5 years of training and 5 million reserves WITH 5 years training experience. South Korea stand no chance against North Korea just like 60 years ago in Korean War when North Korea captured 95% of South Korean territory before US interfered.

>South Korea have 2 years conscription, North Korea have 5
>South Korea have 10 million reserves, North Korea have 5 mil. + auxilliary like women and militia
>South Korea have sligthly more modern equipment but since North Korea's Soviet old technology was 20 years ahead of US, that mean now after 20 years it is on-par with US modern technology supplied to the South Korea
>South Korea is way more richer than North Korea but since DPRK is communist cashless society, money means nothing and can't be compared, beside that cannot affect the war in their case
>If they go to war, South Korea will fight fiercely but lose with both sides creating large casualties, and then when North Korea start capturing territory, only way for SK to survive is for US to land with 500,000-1 million troops
>And we hope South Korea won't genocide million of its own people due to alleged communist sympathizers again like Bodo Massacre...


People today fail to realize that Capitalist countries focus on economy and less on military while Communist countries did and do still focus on military and technology and Soviet-copied military style make their armies more efficient and stronger.

Agreed with you in most but North Korea is poor with 35% of their people starving.I think Sourh Korea will win with losses but with a victory

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 07:12

Dharavi, Mumbai is the biggest asian slum and probably one of the biggest in the world. There is no middle class in India only extreme rich and extreme poor.The guy who use his patriotism to demonstrate the country which is like Africa is a great one doesn't see the things with the enough independence.
As Africa India has rich very rich parts like Bombay coast which is similar to downtown Luanda or Addis Ababa.Rural population is very poor as African does.Most of cities are composed of slums and few rich districts same as Africa.
You can't compare India with China both are developing countries or Brazil
Brazil has a middle class and has rural population working on a big farms and big factories.Now its facing crisis but it's still ages better than any country like Bangladesh India or Pakistan.
China went from poor farmer country to a superpower with middle classes and became a world factory.
While India has billionaires building rich skyscraper houses like the Mumbai's one and most of people living with 1.5$ and 2$.
Pharmaceutical industry lmao.Indian vaccines in Ukraine and Russia were sold and killed several people.
Few pharmaceutical companies are great.
India has a great growth but it's useless the rich and the government get 99% of all the money.
India isn't the exception.Indonesia Pakistan Bangladesh Nepal Myanmar Sri Lanka Most of Central Asia suffers the same situation in Asia

Okay there's no arguing with an idiot. I'm done. Anyone who calls China a superpower or compares India with Africa, Bangladesh and Pakistan is mentally retarded. 'Most cities are made of slums' gg Spanish Education.

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 07:16

Agreed with you in most but North Korea is poor with 35% of their people starving.I think Sourh Korea will win with losses but with a victory

That's the point, they have different system and you can't rate them through capitalist glasses. Capitalism is based on capital(money/cash) while Communism is based on cashless community where value is measured by need, not by 'whim' manifested through paper called money.

North Korea still have all the advantages West or Capitalist World have: schools, colleges, laboratories, science, military, infrastrucure, housing, economy etc. Just their system is not based on cash/money like 98% of the World is, and that confuses people alot.

Maybe they are starving, but their population still rise 200,000 a year and have low mortality rate. Maybe they are starving because their food is being allocated to the military needs (Juche)?

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

كتب بواسطة Skanderbeg, 30.08.2016 at 07:25

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 07:16

Agreed with you in most but North Korea is poor with 35% of their people starving.I think Sourh Korea will win with losses but with a victory

That's the point, they have different system and you can't rate them through capitalist glasses. Capitalism is based on capital(money/cash) while Communism is based on cashless community where value is measured by need, not by 'whim' manifested through paper called money.

North Korea still have all the advantages West or Capitalist World have: schools, colleges, laboratories, science, military, infrastrucure, housing, economy etc. Just their system is not based on cash/money like 98% of the World is, and that confuses people alot.

Maybe they are starving, but their population still rise 200,000 a year and have low mortality rate. Maybe they are starving because their food is being allocated to the military needs (Juche)?

Well I understand your point but this capitalism world advantages finishes when you go out from Pyongyang.False supermarkets, slave camps, total isolation....
Since all the land is government property the people can't take the food from the farms.Elderly people works in the farms and the government almost give no food to them.
North Korea isn't a pair of child soldiers with old soviet tanks it is a great disciplinated military with middle tanks.But outside military gg

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 07:34

Well I understand your point but this capitalism world advantages finishes when you go out from Pyongyang.False supermarkets, slave camps, total isolation....
Since all the land is government property the people can't take the food from the farms.Elderly people works in the farms and the government almost give no food to them.
North Korea isn't a pair of child soldiers with old soviet tanks it is a great disciplinated military with middle tanks.But outside military gg

you were in NK and now about slave camps? or you are brainwashed....

كتب بواسطة Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:29

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

Says the serb

China and India should go to war asap, for population controll ofc, few nukes wouldnt hurt them.

Uhm you aren't looking it from real perspective.
There would be no winner, 4 nuclear powers fighting, as soon as one would start loosing few red buttons would be pressed, and we all would be screwed up.

كتب بواسطة Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:29

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

Darth ALL THE FUCKING WORLD SAYS WHAT INDIA IS POOR ACCEPT IT

كتب بواسطة Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:48

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 07:34

Well I understand your point but this capitalism world advantages finishes when you go out from Pyongyang.False supermarkets, slave camps, total isolation....
Since all the land is government property the people can't take the food from the farms.Elderly people works in the farms and the government almost give no food to them.
North Korea isn't a pair of child soldiers with old soviet tanks it is a great disciplinated military with middle tanks.But outside military gg

you were in NK and now about slave camps? or you are brainwashed....

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

كتب بواسطة Darth., 30.08.2016 at 07:54

كتب بواسطة Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 07:29

China and paki ez win.
India is poor as fuck, people in india are as poor as africans, if not more....

Says the serb

Indian GDP per capita: 6,020$
Serbian GDP per capita: 13.482$
I think that i can say that.

كتب بواسطة Black Swans, 30.08.2016 at 08:01

Uhm you aren't looking it from real perspective.
There would be no winner, 4 nuclear powers fighting, as soon as one would start loosing few red buttons would be pressed, and we all would be screwed up.

Tbh with a pair of radars and anti nuclear missle the thing is solved.

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

And you again weren't in those camps yourself...

كتب بواسطة Oleg, 30.08.2016 at 08:19

كتب بواسطة Free_Warrior, 30.08.2016 at 08:17

You can see slave camps from google maps or google earth lol.Also thousands of north koreans who survived that and went as refugees in the south korea told it.North Korean citizens are the brainwashed one.Their TV says Kim.Jong Il was borned in a volcan.

And you again weren't in those camps yourself...

No but if you are staying with North Korean government great.
Slave camps exist you have a lot of proofs.